The Root of The Problem [Was: Re: botnets: web servers, end-systems an d Vint Cerf]
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well, I'm going to add my $.02 here, too, and I don't care who likes it or not. :-) I know Vint, and I've known Vint for a long time. He's a smart guy. And he's right. Why is he right? Because he got in front of the folks who actually _can_ manage this problem, and that is the people (actually the NGOs) who have the monetary and fiduciary duty to begin looking at problems at the financial loss level. If you think that these problems are going to solely resolved on a technical basis, you're delusional. Rock on, Vint. - - ferg - -- Gadi Evron <ge@linuxbox.org> wrote: On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Peter Moody wrote:
I kept quiet on this for a while, but honestly, I appreciate Vint Cerf mentioning this where he did, and raising awareness among people who can potentially help us solve the problem of the Internet.
Still, although I kept quiet for a while, us so-called "botnet experts" gotta ask: where does he get his numbers? I would appreciate some backing up to these or I'd be forced to call him up on his statement.
My belief is that it is much worse. I am capable of proving only somewhat worse. His numbers are still staggering so.. where why when how what? (not necessarily in that order).
So, data please Vint/Google.
Dr. Cerf wasn't speaking for Google when he said this, so I'm not sure why
Okay, thansk for clarifying that. :)
you're looking that direction for answers. But since you ask, his data came from informal conversations with A/V companies and folks actually in the
Interesting.
trenches of dealing with botnet ddos mitigation. The numbers weren't taken
Botnet trenches? Yes, I suppose the analogy to World War I is correct. I should know, I was there (metaphorically speaking). My guess is, if we are to follow this analogy, we are now just before the invention of the tank now in 2007, but oh well.
from any sort of scientific study, and they were in fact mis-quoted (he said more like 10%-20%).
Interesting. <snip poison> <snip more poison>
(my opinions != my employer's, etc. etc.)
Many thanks,
Cheers, .peter
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Fergie wrote:
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Well, I'm going to add my $.02 here, too, and I don't care who likes it or not. :-)
I know Vint, and I've known Vint for a long time.
He's a smart guy. And he's right.
Why is he right?
Because he got in front of the folks who actually _can_ manage this problem, and that is the people (actually the NGOs) who have the monetary and fiduciary duty to begin looking at problems at the financial loss level.
If you think that these problems are going to solely resolved on a technical basis, you're delusional.
Rock on, Vint.
I actually agree 100%, I made no run on Vint Cerf or on Google. I believe I even said the same things as you. Only I also asked some questions "while we are on the subject of". Sorry for that misunderstanding. I should have stated that one better. Gadi.
- - ferg
- -- Gadi Evron <ge@linuxbox.org> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Peter Moody wrote:
I kept quiet on this for a while, but honestly, I appreciate Vint Cerf mentioning this where he did, and raising awareness among people who can potentially help us solve the problem of the Internet.
Still, although I kept quiet for a while, us so-called "botnet experts" gotta ask: where does he get his numbers? I would appreciate some backing up to these or I'd be forced to call him up on his statement.
My belief is that it is much worse. I am capable of proving only somewhat worse. His numbers are still staggering so.. where why when how what? (not necessarily in that order).
So, data please Vint/Google.
Dr. Cerf wasn't speaking for Google when he said this, so I'm not sure why
Okay, thansk for clarifying that. :)
you're looking that direction for answers. But since you ask, his data came from informal conversations with A/V companies and folks actually in the
Interesting.
trenches of dealing with botnet ddos mitigation. The numbers weren't taken
Botnet trenches? Yes, I suppose the analogy to World War I is correct. I should know, I was there (metaphorically speaking). My guess is, if we are to follow this analogy, we are now just before the invention of the tank now in 2007, but oh well.
from any sort of scientific study, and they were in fact mis-quoted (he said more like 10%-20%).
Interesting.
<snip poison>
<snip more poison>
(my opinions != my employer's, etc. etc.)
Many thanks,
Cheers, .peter
Gadi.
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-- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
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