Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring, Comcast
The FCC is structured in such a way that the chairman calls all the shots on policy matters. In this instance, the former chairman, Kevin Martin, was responsible for the Comcast order but the current chairman, Julius Genachowski, had to defend it in court. Some wags insist that the defense was a bit lackluster because Genachowski didn't much care for the legal basis of the Comcast order, which relied on a lot of smoke and mirrors to regulate aspects of edge network behavior that Congress never told the FCC to regulate. The defense relied on some legal theories that weren't used in the order itself, and that's a no-no in an appeal. The court took the rather extraordinary step of suggesting arguments that the FCC could have used in the appeal that it didn't use. The murky status of Internet regulation is actually quite enjoyable to network operators and to policy wonks alike because it allows maximum freedom of action. This will continue, of course, until Congress tells the FCC to go regulate the Internet according to some yet-to-be-defined framework. RB On 4/10/2010 1:36 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Apr 9, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:
I believe you are doing a disservice to the FCC by making these inflammatory statements.
And here I thought I was defending them for being different& better than the last group.
The point is, joe asked about the FCC that made a ruling. The staffers who work hard (and deserve lots of credit for working hard) do not make those rulings. The political appointees and their handlers in the administration make those rulings. Those appointees are very different than the last group. And I think this is a very good thing.
For instance, could you in your wildest dreams have imagined the last group sending their top people to NANOG, and those people standing around asking people to talk to them? That was AWESOME, and very different than the "last FCC".
And I don't think there is anything wrong with thinking of it that way.
-- TTFN, patrick
There are plenty of GOOD people at the FCC, I'm guessing you may not have spent much time talking to them. (I met with the FCC about CALEA due to concerns about there being no mature 10G intercept platforms. There are vendors that are shipping devices that are not CALEA compliant, but may be compliant under other lawful intercept methods/statutes).
You have to understand that there are political appointees (that must be confirmed) and the regular staffers that operate in this space. The federal register and comment process is abundant, allowing people to file comments on nearly anything the government is discussing.
If you've not engaged in getting the daily notices from the Federal Register, and did not file form 445, you may want to take a look at it. Phone the FCC. Phone the DoJ and ask for the "CALEA Implementation Unit", the folks there are behind thehttp://askcalea.net website.
As with many things, there is a lot of (mis-)information out there.
(Gotta run kids are bleeding!).
-- Richard Bennett Research Fellow Information Technology and Innovation Foundation Washington, DC
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Richard Bennett <richard@bennett.com> wrote:
The FCC is structured in such a way that the chairman calls all the shots on policy matters. In this instance, the former chairman, Kevin Martin, was responsible for the Comcast order but the current chairman, Julius Genachowski, had to defend it in court. Some wags insist that the defense was a bit lackluster because Genachowski didn't much care for the legal basis of the Comcast order, which relied on a lot of smoke and mirrors to regulate aspects of edge network behavior that Congress never told the FCC to regulate. The defense relied on some legal theories that weren't used in the order itself, and that's a no-no in an appeal. The court took the rather extraordinary step of suggesting arguments that the FCC could have used in the appeal that it didn't use. ... Research Fellow Information Technology and Innovation Foundation
It should probably be noted, for purpose of establishing bias, that Richard is a Washington lobbyist, hired to represent Comcast on regulatory matters. What he views as overstepping legal bounds, others may view as protecting consumers... Drive Slow, Paul Wall
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Paul WALL <pauldotwall@gmail.com> wrote:
It should probably be noted, for purpose of establishing bias, that Richard is a Washington lobbyist, hired to represent Comcast on regulatory matters. What he views as overstepping legal bounds, others may view as protecting consumers...
Hell, funnily enough Susan Crawford warned at the time that the FCC action wouldn't stand up in court the way it was done. http://www.circleid.com/posts/comcast_vs_the_fcc_a_reply_to_susan_crawfords_... --srs -- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
One of the things I like about e-mail lists is learning things about myself that I never knew before, especially regarding my occupation. For the last 9 months or so I've been working part-time with a Washington think tank in an analyst capacity, not as a lobbyist, and not on the Comcast payroll. My views about Internet regulation precede this job and haven't been altered by it. For purposes of the present discussion, I'd rather be known as the guy who wrote the first IEEE 802 standard for Ethernet over twisted pair, or designed the Wi-Fi MAC protocol, or the DRP for UWB, or something like that. As Suresh notes, the idea that the FCC overstepped its bounds in the Comcast order is hardly controversial. It's not even a matter of opinion any more, as the decision written by the most liberal judge on the 3rd Circuit, David Tatel, means it's the law. The debate about how to regulate the Internet is now premised on the fact that the old rationale doesn't hold up to scrutiny, so deal with it. RB On 4/11/2010 11:23 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Paul WALL<pauldotwall@gmail.com> wrote:
It should probably be noted, for purpose of establishing bias, that Richard is a Washington lobbyist, hired to represent Comcast on regulatory matters. What he views as overstepping legal bounds, others may view as protecting consumers...
Hell, funnily enough Susan Crawford warned at the time that the FCC action wouldn't stand up in court the way it was done.
http://www.circleid.com/posts/comcast_vs_the_fcc_a_reply_to_susan_crawfords_...
--srs
-- Richard Bennett Research Fellow Information Technology and Innovation Foundation Washington, DC
On 4/12/10 2:42 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
... the guy who wrote the first IEEE 802 standard for Ethernet over twisted pair ...
I'm certain that's who you are. Hell, what I do for CORE means I'm a ICANN lobbyist when I'm not writing code, and I'd prefer to be the guy who wrote XPG/1 and XPG/4.2 (Single Unix Specification to those on Redmond shared fate devices). Eric
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Richard Bennett <richard@bennett.com> wrote:
One of the things I like about e-mail lists is learning things about myself that I never knew before, especially regarding my occupation. For the last 9 months or so I've been working part-time with a Washington think tank in an analyst capacity, not as a lobbyist, and not on the Comcast payroll.
You neglected to mention that the "think tank" (where I'm from in Houston, we call them lobbys) is funded by Comcast, among other big cable/telecom players. Drive Slow, Paul Wall
On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Paul WALL wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Richard Bennett <richard@bennett.com> wrote:
One of the things I like about e-mail lists is learning things about myself that I never knew before, especially regarding my occupation. For the last 9 months or so I've been working part-time with a Washington think tank in an analyst capacity, not as a lobbyist, and not on the Comcast payroll.
You neglected to mention that the "think tank" (where I'm from in Houston, we call them lobbys) is funded by Comcast, among other big cable/telecom players.
In fairness to to the ITIF (his current employer), they're well-respected in their core area, studying innovation policy. I've seen some of the work done by Rob Atkinson (full disclosure: Rob is currently visiting my university giving a talk), and it's good. That said, I dislike strongly Richard's M.O. of trying to stir up hornets nests by playing the fool/troll in order to get NANOG and other venues to do his job for him, and I hope this statement doesn't come across as a defense of that. I've already plonked him. </off topic> -Dave
You're speculating that ITIF gets funding from Comcast, and therefore guessing I'm singing Comcast's song. But you don't know whether Comcast actually is an ITIF sponsor, just as you don't know whether Google, Intel, and Microsoft are ITIF sponsors. And then you're speculating again regarding the relationships between sponsors and fellows. Paul, it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about re: Internet regulation policy or the nature of DC think tanks, so why you you just STFU rather than embarrass yourself further? RB On 4/12/2010 12:08 PM, Paul WALL wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Richard Bennett [1]<richard@bennett.com> wrote: One of the things I like about e-mail lists is learning things about myself that I never knew before, especially regarding my occupation. For the last 9 months or so I've been working part-time with a Washington think tank in an analyst capacity, not as a lobbyist, and not on the Comcast payroll. You neglected to mention that the "think tank" (where I'm from in Houston, we call them lobbys) is funded by Comcast, among other big cable/telecom players. Drive Slow, Paul Wall -- References 1. mailto:richard@bennett.com
On Apr 12, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
You're speculating that ITIF gets funding from Comcast, and therefore
If only the ITIF released information about their funding sources. So, does Comcast contribute funds or otherwise sponsor ITIF? Does Google, Intel, or Microsoft? Cheers, -j
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Richard Bennett <richard@bennett.com>wrote:
One of the things I like about e-mail lists is learning things about myself that I never knew before, especially regarding my occupation. For the last 9 months or so I've been working part-time with a Washington think tank in an analyst capacity, not as a lobbyist, and not on the Comcast payroll. My views about Internet regulation precede this job and haven't been altered by it. For purposes of the present discussion, I'd rather be known as the guy who wrote the first IEEE 802 standard for Ethernet over twisted pair, or designed the Wi-Fi MAC protocol, or the DRP for UWB, or something like that.
You might want to ring up the IEEE and get them to fix their egregious omission of your name as the designer of the Wi-Fi MAC protocol. http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.11-2007.pdf *Participants* At the time the draft of this revision was sent to sponsor ballot, the IEEE 802.11 Working Group had the following officers: *Stuart J. Kerry*, *Chair **Al Petrick*, *Vice-Chair and Treasurer **Harry R. Worstell*, *Vice-Chair **Tim Godfrey*, *Secretary **Nanci Vogtli*, *Publicity Standing Committee **Teik-Kheong Tan*, *Chair, Wireless Next Generation Standing Committee **Terry L. Cole *and *Simon Barber*, *Technical Editors* *Richard H. Paine*, *Chair, Task Group k **Bruce P. Kraemer*, *Chair, Task Group n **Sheung Li*, *Vice-Chair, Task Group n **Lee Armstrong*, *Chair, Task Group p **Clint Chaplin*, *Chair, Task Group r **Donald E. Eastlake III *, *Chair, Task Group s **Charles R. Wright*, *Chair, Task Group t **Stephen McCann*, *Chair, Task Group u **Pat R. Calhoun*, *Chair, Task Group v **Jesse Walker*, *Chair, Task Group w **Peter Ecclesine*, *Chair, Contention-Based Protocol Study Group* When the IEEE 802.11 Working Group approved this revision, Task Group m had the following membership: Bernard D. Aboba Osama S. Aboul-Magd Santosh P. Abraham Tomoko Adachi Jonathan R. Agre Jon Adams Carlos H. Aldana Thomas Alexander Areg Alimian Keith Amann Veera Anantha Merwyn B. Andrade Carl F. Andren Scott Andrews David C. Andrus Hidenori Aoki Tsuguhide Aoki Michimasa Aramaki Takashi Aramaki Sirikiat Lek Ariyavisitakul Lee R. Armstrong Larry Arnett Yusuke Asai Arthur W. Astrin Malik Audeh Geert A. Awater David Bagby Michael Bahr Dennis J. Baker *Robert O’Hara*, *Chair **Terry L. Cole*, *Editor* Ramanathan Balachander Simon Barber Richard N. Barnwell John R. Barr Kevin M. Barry Charles R. Bartel Burak H. Baysal John L. Benko Mathilde Benveniste Don Berry Nehru Bhandaru Yogesh B. Bhatt Bjorn A. 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Thanks for pointing that out. RB On 4/12/2010 2:06 PM, Stonix Farstone wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Richard Bennett <[1]richard@bennett.com> wrote: One of the things I like about e-mail lists is learning things about myself that I never knew before, especially regarding my occupation. For the last 9 months or so I've been working part-time with a Washington think tank in an analyst capacity, not as a lobbyist, and not on the Comcast payroll. My views about Internet regulation precede this job and haven't been altered by it. For purposes of the present discussion, I'd rather be known as the guy who wrote the first IEEE 802 standard for Ethernet over twisted pair, or designed the Wi-Fi MAC protocol, or the DRP for UWB, or something like that. You might want to ring up the IEEE and get them to fix their egregious omission of your name as the designer of the Wi-Fi MAC protocol. [2]http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.11-2007.pdf Participants At the time the draft of this revision was sent to sponsor ballot, the IEEE 802.11 Working Group had the following officers: Stuart J. Kerry, Chair Al Petrick, Vice-Chair and Treasurer Harry R. Worstell, Vice-Chair Tim Godfrey, Secretary Nanci Vogtli, Publicity Standing Committee Teik-Kheong Tan, Chair, Wireless Next Generation Standing Committee Terry L. Cole and Simon Barber, Technical Editors Richard H. Paine, Chair, Task Group k Bruce P. Kraemer, Chair, Task Group n Sheung Li, Vice-Chair, Task Group n Lee Armstrong, Chair, Task Group p Clint Chaplin, Chair, Task Group r Donald E. Eastlake III, Chair, Task Group s Charles R. Wright, Chair, Task Group t Stephen McCann, Chair, Task Group u Pat R. Calhoun, Chair, Task Group v Jesse Walker, Chair, Task Group w Peter Ecclesine, Chair, Contention-Based Protocol Study Group When the IEEE 802.11 Working Group approved this revision, Task Group m had the following membership: Bernard D. Aboba Osama S. Aboul-Magd Santosh P. Abraham Tomoko Adachi Jonathan R. Agre Jon Adams Carlos H. Aldana Thomas Alexander Areg Alimian Keith Amann Veera Anantha Merwyn B. Andrade Carl F. Andren Scott Andrews David C. Andrus Hidenori Aoki Tsuguhide Aoki Michimasa Aramaki Takashi Aramaki Sirikiat Lek Ariyavisitakul Lee R. Armstrong Larry Arnett Yusuke Asai Arthur W. Astrin Malik Audeh Geert A. Awater David Bagby Michael Bahr Dennis J. Baker Robert O'Hara, Chair Terry L. Cole, Editor Ramanathan Balachander Simon Barber Richard N. Barnwell John R. Barr Kevin M. Barry Charles R. Bartel Burak H. Baysal John L. Benko Mathilde Benveniste Don Berry Nehru Bhandaru Yogesh B. Bhatt Bjorn A. Bjerke Simon Black Scott Blue Jan Boer Herve Bonneville William M. 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Whitesell Richard Williams James M. Wilson Jack H. Winters Jeffrey J. Wojtiuk Jin Kue Wong Timothy G. Wong Marcus Wong James Woodyatt Harry R. Worstell Charles R. Wright Gang Wu Ariton Xhafa Bo Xia Akiyoshi Yagi Katsuhiko Yamada Takeshi Yamamoto Tomoya Yamaura Lily Yang Raziq Yaqub Huanchun Ye James Yee Chi-Hsiang Yeh Chris Young Heejung Yu Hon M. Yung Erol K. Yurtkuran Artur Zaks Eldad Zeira Jinyun Zhang Chunhui Zhu Jeffrey C. Zhu Juan-Carlos Zuniga Johnny Zweig James Zyren The following members of the individual balloting committee voted on this revision. Balloters may have voted for approval, disapproval, or abstention. Ahmed Abdelhalim Osama S. Aboulmagd Tomoko Adachi Toru Aihara Keith Amann Butch Anton Charles L. Barest John R. Barr Hugh Barrass Roger Berg Parag D. Bhatt Gennaro Boggia Matthew K. Burnburg Alistair G. Buttar William A. Byrd James T. Carlo Jay Catelli Clint F. Chaplin Yi-Ming Chen Yung-Mu Chen Mr Aik Chindapol Keith Chow Tommy P. 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Narayanan Michael S. Newman Erwin R. Noble Richard H. Noens Satoshi Obara Robert O'hara Stephen R. Palm Glenn W. Parsons Paul W. Piggin Subburajan Ponnuswamy Vikram Punj Maximilian Riegel Philip T. Robinson Stephen C. Schwarm Perry L. Schwartz William M. Shvodian Floyd D. Simpson Jung Je Son Amjad A. Soomro Manikantan Srinivasan Dorothy V. Stanley Thomas E. Starai Adrian P. Stephens Mark A. Sturza Masahiro Takagi Sandra L. Turner Mark-Rene Uchida Harry R. Worstell Forrest D. Wright Oren Yuen Janusz Zalewski When the IEEE-SA Standards Board approved this revision on 8 March 2007, it had the following membership: Richard DeBlasio Julian Forster* Alex Gelman William R. Goldbach Arnold M. Greenspan Joanna N. Guenin Kenneth S. Hanus William B. Hopf Steve M. Mills, Chair Robert M. Grow, Vice Chair Don Wright, Past Chair Judith Gorman, Secretary Richard H. Hulett Hermann Koch Joseph L. Koepfinger* John Kulick David J. Law Glenn Parsons Ronald C. Petersen Tom A. 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