Re: read this before you consider EXODUS
What sounds like "fruitless bitching" to you will serve as useful information for other people out there, who are in the process of selecting service providers. This is a *open* forum that people bring realities like these publicly. You are entitled to speak for yourself, and if it sounds like what you inferred, you are subscribing to the wrong list. Just do a "unsubscribe". One of the intent of this open list is to make aware of realities of ISPs around, beyond the glare of the press and marketing. And using words like "fruitless bitching" does not make your opinion more potent to anyone, unless they hold a lot of Exodus stock (: Do you?. Try to refrain from unnecessary language. Take it easy RaviM
http://fnews.yahoo.com/street/99/09/01/valley_990901.html This sort of fruitless bitching pretty much serves no useful purpose.
On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Ravi M wrote:
What sounds like "fruitless bitching" to you will serve as useful information for other people out there, who are in the process of selecting service providers.
Gee... I didn't know nanog was used for this. Maybe all those years going to Nanog, working with people on real networks, etc, I missed that part.
This is a *open* forum that people bring realities like these publicly. You are entitled to speak for yourself, and if it sounds like what you inferred, you are subscribing to the wrong list. Just do a "unsubscribe". One of the intent of this open list is to make aware of realities of ISPs around, beyond the glare of the press and marketing.
What realities? Aren't you pushing press information? Should we start bringing to light every little thing that goes wrong on the net?
And using words like "fruitless bitching" does not make your opinion more potent to anyone, unless they hold a lot of Exodus stock (: Do you?. Try to refrain from unnecessary language.
I sure wish I held a lot of Exodus stock... I bet you do too...
Take it easy RaviM
And since this is such an ontopic post... why dont you ask Susan to give a talk on why you think Exodus is bad. Christian
On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Ravi M wrote:
What sounds like "fruitless bitching" to you will serve as useful information for other people out there, who are in the process of selecting service providers.
I didn't detect much operational content in that little report.
This is a *open* forum that people bring realities like these publicly. You are entitled to speak for yourself, and if it sounds like what you inferred, you are subscribing to the wrong list. Just do a "unsubscribe". One of the intent of this open list is to make aware of
I thought the list was North American Network Operators Group List, not "lets post news stories about colo providers list." I'll unsubscribe from that in a heartbeat. I'm here to discuss operational issues facing promising local ISP's, not some press reports about the perception that a particular news reporter has that some companies may be leaving their providers. This is not operational in any sense of the word.
And using words like "fruitless bitching" does not make your opinion more potent to anyone, unless they hold a lot of Exodus stock (: Do you?. Try to refrain from unnecessary language.
Try to refrain from posting complete offtopic garbage maybe? Thanks /vijay
On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 06:09:50PM -0400, Ravi M said:
What sounds like "fruitless bitching" to you will serve as useful information for other people out there, who are in the process of selecting service providers.
No. The only way to offer a even remotly reliable view on whether or not an ISP is good/bad is to see the good AND the bad. I think I can speak for the majority of the list when I say that making nanog into a public bitch forum is the last thing we want. Take your gripes elsewhere.
This is a *open* forum that people bring realities like these publicly. You are entitled to speak for yourself, and if it sounds like what you inferred, you are subscribing to the wrong list. Just do a "unsubscribe". One of the intent of this open list is to make aware of realities of ISPs around, beyond the glare of the press and marketing.
Have you even taken the time to read the charter/aup for nanog? The first rule in the aup states that: Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues as described in the charter of NANOG. Not whether or not you think Exodus sucks. -RussB
And using words like "fruitless bitching" does not make your opinion more potent to anyone, unless they hold a lot of Exodus stock (: Do you?. Try to refrain from unnecessary language.
Take it easy RaviM
http://fnews.yahoo.com/street/99/09/01/valley_990901.html This sort of fruitless bitching pretty much serves no useful purpose.
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Russell Briggs TEL: 512-322-9200 Senior Network Engineer CEL: 512-633-5983 Onramp Access, Inc. FAX: 512-476-2878 russb@quadrunner.com http://www.onr.com/
We went through this last year, about finger pointing and being competitive here to harm other peoples interest, and by consensus we moved away from this practice, lets stick to that it has worked well. Henry Russell Briggs wrote:
On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 06:09:50PM -0400, Ravi M said:
What sounds like "fruitless bitching" to you will serve as useful information for other people out there, who are in the process of selecting service providers.
No. The only way to offer a even remotly reliable view on whether or not an ISP is good/bad is to see the good AND the bad. I think I can speak for the majority of the list when I say that making nanog into a public bitch forum is the last thing we want. Take your gripes elsewhere.
This is a *open* forum that people bring realities like these publicly. You are entitled to speak for yourself, and if it sounds like what you inferred, you are subscribing to the wrong list. Just do a "unsubscribe". One of the intent of this open list is to make aware of realities of ISPs around, beyond the glare of the press and marketing.
Have you even taken the time to read the charter/aup for nanog? The first rule in the aup states that:
Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues as described in the charter of NANOG.
Not whether or not you think Exodus sucks.
-RussB
And using words like "fruitless bitching" does not make your opinion more potent to anyone, unless they hold a lot of Exodus stock (: Do you?. Try to refrain from unnecessary language.
Take it easy RaviM
http://fnews.yahoo.com/street/99/09/01/valley_990901.html This sort of fruitless bitching pretty much serves no useful purpose.
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Russell Briggs TEL: 512-322-9200 Senior Network Engineer CEL: 512-633-5983 Onramp Access, Inc. FAX: 512-476-2878 russb@quadrunner.com http://www.onr.com/
As much as I like a good *fruitless bitching* (tm) - this really belongs on inet-access kids... and Rav - go get your asbestos poket protector - youwill prolly need it... -- I am nothing if not net-Q! - ras@poppa.thick.net On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Ravi M wrote:
What sounds like "fruitless bitching" to you will serve as useful information for other people out there, who are in the process of selecting service providers. This is a *open* forum that people bring realities like these publicly. You are entitled to speak for yourself, and if it sounds like what you inferred, you are subscribing to the wrong list. Just do a "unsubscribe". One of the intent of this open list is to make aware of realities of ISPs around, beyond the glare of the press and marketing.
And using words like "fruitless bitching" does not make your opinion more potent to anyone, unless they hold a lot of Exodus stock (: Do you?. Try to refrain from unnecessary language.
Take it easy RaviM
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