Re: Operational Issues with 69.0.0.0/8...
I think we can all agree that whoever's responsibility it is, the current system is broken. You can't actually count on people to read this list.
Absolutely right! And all of this discussion that you have sparked on the list will actually help solve the problem. Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen fast. That's why I would like to see some work done on a general solution to the problem because that will get us a lot more benefit from the effort expended. I wouldn't be surprised to see this picked up in the Cook Report and some of the trade press because of your postings. The more people become aware of how the system is broken, the sooner we can fix it.
Maybe if IANA and ARIN and the other organizations that are supposed to work together to make all this stuff work weren't so busy trying to pass the buck, someone might have time to figure something out...
There are more than a few people in ARIN et al. and most of them really do care about finding solutions to these issues. But the Internet is no longer an old boys club which means that there has to be a certain amount of public discussion and process before decisions are made and action is taken. Sadly, this problem could have been predicted but there are too few people willing to think about what we are doing and do some forward planning. ARIN and other membership organizations are only as good as the members themselves. When the members of an organization are apathetic, then the organization doesn't do much more than the same old thing. -- Michael Dillon
I think we can all agree that whoever's responsibility it is, the current system is broken. You can't actually count on people to read this list.
Absolutely right! And all of this discussion that you have sparked on the list will actually help solve the problem. Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen fast. That's why I would like to see some work done on a general solution to the problem because that will get us a lot more benefit from the effort expended.
As a network operator, I don't see any tye of real-time feed for RIR allocations to be useful, esp. not via BGP.
I wouldn't be surprised to see this picked up in the Cook Report and some of the trade press because of your postings. The more people become aware of how the system is broken, the sooner we can fix it.
People actually read that?
Maybe if IANA and ARIN and the other organizations that are supposed to work together to make all this stuff work weren't so busy trying to pass the buck, someone might have time to figure something out...
There are more than a few people in ARIN et al. and most of them really do care about finding solutions to these issues. But the Internet is no longer an old boys club which means that there has to be a certain amount of public discussion and process before decisions are made and action is taken. Sadly, this problem could have been predicted but there are too few people willing to think about what we are doing and do some forward planning. ARIN and other membership organizations are only as good as the members themselves. When the members of an organization are apathetic, then the organization doesn't do much more than the same old thing.
-- Michael Dillon
Hi! What is the problem you are seeking to solve? I thought the problem was that: 1) Folks like to filter IANA-RESERVED space 2) Apparently some entities out there haven't updated their filters in aeons. A simple solution: 1) IANA creates an IANA-RESERVED IRR object 2) Entities switch to using this for their filters, and the updates happen automagically (Didn't someone already suggest this many many messages ago?)
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 bdragon@gweep.net wrote:
A simple solution: 1) IANA creates an IANA-RESERVED IRR object 2) Entities switch to using this for their filters, and the updates happen automagically
(Didn't someone already suggest this many many messages ago?)
Sean Donelan, May 14 1998 (three employers ago, so this should not be taken as representing the official position any of my past, present or future employers) http://www.irbs.net/internet/nanog/9805/0315.html
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 bdragon@gweep.net wrote:
A simple solution: 1) IANA creates an IANA-RESERVED IRR object 2) Entities switch to using this for their filters, and the updates happen automagically
(Didn't someone already suggest this many many messages ago?)
Sean Donelan, May 14 1998 (three employers ago, so this should not be taken as representing the official position any of my past, present or future employers)
Yakhov, Elise, Mark, and Bill - 1994 as part of the RA project, bringers of the RAdb. -- bill
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bdragon@gweep.net
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Sean Donelan