Is it just me or.. I just received 2 "Welcome to nanog" messages and then this...a bounce.. Is someone playing with us? From: nanog@merit.edu To: listserv@roadrunner.gateway2000.com Subject: Subscribe join new.product join web.contests join press.releases -------------------------------------------------------------------------- James D. Butt 'J.D.' Network Engineer Voice 319-557-8463 Network Operations Center Fax 319-557-9771 MidWest Communications, Inc. Pager 319-557-6347 241 Main St. noc@mwci.net Dubuque, IA 52001 jbutt@mwci.net --------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, James D. Butt wrote:
Is it just me or..
I just received 2 "Welcome to nanog" messages and then this...a bounce.. Is someone playing with us?
I just got a whole bunch more too. nanog being subscibed to different mailing lists. Someone *is* playing with us. Tim Harrison Superior Internetworking http://www.superiornet.com/ tharrison@orc.ca
Lets get im!!!! On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Tim Harrison wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, James D. Butt wrote:
Is it just me or..
I just received 2 "Welcome to nanog" messages and then this...a bounce.. Is someone playing with us?
I just got a whole bunch more too. nanog being subscibed to different mailing lists.
Someone *is* playing with us.
Tim Harrison Superior Internetworking http://www.superiornet.com/ tharrison@orc.ca
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Marc Hurst wrote:
Lets get im!!!!
Would love to. Tim Harrison Superior Internetworking http://www.superiornet.com/ tharrison@orc.ca
I just got a whole bunch more too. nanog being subscibed to different mailing lists.
Someone *is* playing with us.
One likely explanation is that a spammer is reading nanog and is showing his/her/its displeasure with the anti-spam tone on this list recently. This sort of revenge is very common among spammers, in my first-hand experience. Block a spammer from your site and shortly thereafter various malicious things begin happening with disturbing frequency. That's one of the big problems with spam. Perhaps most of you remember when, quite correctly IMHO, women's* groups pointed out that rape is not a sexual thing but, rather, a power thing? Well, allow me to point out that, analogously, spam is not a commercial thing... * yes we should all know by now that rape is not, in absolute terms, gender-specific, but nonetheless it was women's groups who were associated with first making this point even if it doesn't strictly apply only to women.
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Tim Harrison wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, James D. Butt wrote:
Is it just me or..
I just received 2 "Welcome to nanog" messages and then this...a bounce.. Is someone playing with us?
I just got a whole bunch more too. nanog being subscibed to different mailing lists.
Someone *is* playing with us.
Someone from slip166-72-5-121.il.us.ibm.net is faking subscribe requests and mail to the list, as shown clearly in the marilyn@mozart.lib.uchicago.edu subscription and the billg@microsoft.com forgery. They are almost certainly behind the other items as well. If you dislike this, contact ibm.net. Please let's not have a huge thread of "me too!"s.
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Tim Harrison wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, James D. Butt wrote:
Is it just me or..
I just received 2 "Welcome to nanog" messages and then this...a bounce.. Is someone playing with us?
I just got a whole bunch more too. nanog being subscibed to different mailing lists.
Someone *is* playing with us.
Hmm. Time to contact the mail server admin of the mailing list nanog has been subscribed to, and see if someone can track the sucker. Adrian
Tim Harrison said:
I just got a whole bunch more too. nanog being subscibed to different mailing lists.
Someone *is* playing with us.
<delurk> Perhaps it is time to moderate nanog. Send postings to a team of moderators to screen for content before being approved for the list. How strictly the screening would be applied and who would moderate would be up to the list. I can host such a list on K-State's Listserv server. Listserv has all the tools needed to make this work. Is there any interest in this? Tim Ramsey tar@ksu.edu Sr. UNIX System Administrator (785) 532-3742 Computing and Network Services Kansas State University
Something else that needs to be considered is blowing up the list (making smaller, distributed lists). It takes hours sometimes for mail to go through the distribution. Sometimes, I'll post, and I'll get four, five, six replies before I see my post to the list bounce back this way. It takes hours. :-( Too long for a list where sometimes time-critical information is discussed. </imho> Tim Ramsey wrote:
Tim Harrison said:
I just got a whole bunch more too. nanog being subscibed to different mailing lists.
Someone *is* playing with us.
<delurk>
Perhaps it is time to moderate nanog. Send postings to a team of moderators to screen for content before being approved for the list. How strictly the screening would be applied and who would moderate would be up to the list.
I can host such a list on K-State's Listserv server. Listserv has all the tools needed to make this work.
Is there any interest in this?
Tim Ramsey tar@ksu.edu Sr. UNIX System Administrator (785) 532-3742 Computing and Network Services Kansas State University
-- james g.k. rishaw dal/efnet:gavroche __ IAGnet/CIC/netILLINOIS Backoffice DID:216.902.5455 FAX:216.623.3566 \/ 800.637.4IAGx5455 "The man who doesn't read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them." - Mark Twain
James Rishaw busts through the QRM with...
Something else that needs to be considered is blowing up the list (making smaller, distributed lists). It takes hours sometimes for mail to go through the distribution.
Sometimes, I'll post, and I'll get four, five, six replies before I see my post to the list bounce back this way. It takes hours. :-( Too long for a list where sometimes time-critical information is discussed.
A six hour delay because the list of addressess is too large? That would take tens or hundreds of thousands of addressess, or else some precisely paced queueing logic, or a pathetically overloaded machine. I vote for Tim Ramsey setting things up on his Listserv server, if for no other reason than to just evaluate how well it works. Let's give it a try for a while. -- Phil Howard | eat8this@no1place.com crash340@anyplace.edu suck0it4@lame5ads.net phil | eat20me6@no80ads4.com stop0843@lame4ads.edu blow6me8@anywhere.edu at | ads6suck@spam9mer.edu stop4it8@no1where.edu end2ads1@no3place.com milepost | blow9me5@nowhere1.com no6spam0@lame2ads.edu stop6916@spam0mer.com dot | eat2this@nowhere5.org ads9suck@dumbads5.edu ads0suck@spam3mer.org com | eat34me5@no3where.com stop7598@spammer6.org no4spam9@noplace2.org
Actually this list has been really good compared to some others. I think someone is doing this on purpose to limit the list and basically destroy the good communications that develop here. I generally lurk and learn more than stating my opinion and would not be to happy with the demise of the list... Henry R. Linneweh James Rishaw wrote:
Something else that needs to be considered is blowing up the list (making smaller, distributed lists). It takes hours sometimes for mail to go through the distribution.
Sometimes, I'll post, and I'll get four, five, six replies before I see my post to the list bounce back this way. It takes hours. :-( Too long for a list where sometimes time-critical information is discussed.
</imho>
Tim Ramsey wrote:
Tim Harrison said:
I just got a whole bunch more too. nanog being subscibed to different mailing lists.
Someone *is* playing with us.
<delurk>
Perhaps it is time to moderate nanog. Send postings to a team of moderators to screen for content before being approved for the list. How strictly the screening would be applied and who would moderate would be up to the list.
I can host such a list on K-State's Listserv server. Listserv has all the tools needed to make this work.
Is there any interest in this?
Tim Ramsey tar@ksu.edu Sr. UNIX System Administrator (785) 532-3742 Computing and Network Services Kansas State University
-- james g.k. rishaw dal/efnet:gavroche __ IAGnet/CIC/netILLINOIS Backoffice DID:216.902.5455 FAX:216.623.3566 \/ 800.637.4IAGx5455 "The man who doesn't read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them." - Mark Twain
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I hate to be off topic, but if you received a copy of the SPA spam about piracy and FTP servers, please forward a copy to me, with headers if possible. I don't mind receiving a hundred or so copies. This would have been sent on or about Nov 12th, with a subject of "SPA piracy notice" -- Robert Costner Phone: (770) 512-8746 Electronic Frontiers Georgia mailto:pooh@efga.org http://www.efga.org/ run PGP 5.0 for my public key
At 11:06 AM 18-11-97 -0800, Henry Linneweh wrote:
Actually this list has been really good compared to some others. I think someone is doing this on purpose to limit the list and basically destroy the good communications that develop here. I generally lurk and learn more than stating my opinion and would not be to happy with the demise of the list...
Obviously, the list is/was being attacked. Some of the names here are obvious targets for the pro-spammers, booted customers, etc. I'd prefer a moderated list, but only in the sense that you have to be a list member in order to send email hence spam elimination is pretty much done and said unless someone on the list spams the list. Regards, -- Martin Hannigan hannigan@xcom.net Director of Data Networks V:617.500.0108 XCOM Technologies F:617.500.0002 Cambridge, MA http://www.xcom.net
sendmail told me Martin Hannigan said:
I'd prefer a moderated list, but only in the sense that you have to be a list member in order to send email hence spam elimination is pretty much done and said unless someone on the list spams the list.
At the very least, the list-outgoing alias should be changed, and the HReceived: line in merit's sendmail.cf modified so as not to identify $u. -- Pete Ehlke Sys Admin type @ Sony Music Entertainment "Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action." -Ian Fleming
On Tue, Nov 18, 1997 at 04:26:57PM -0500, Pete Ehlke wrote:
sendmail told me Martin Hannigan said:
I'd prefer a moderated list, but only in the sense that you have to be a list member in order to send email hence spam elimination is pretty much done and said unless someone on the list spams the list.
At the very least, the list-outgoing alias should be changed, and the HReceived: line in merit's sendmail.cf modified so as not to identify $u.
You can do this in majordomo by appending ",nobody" to the outgoing mail alias on the resend alias line. (With nobody == /dev/null) David -- David Shaw | dshaw@cs.jhu.edu | WWW http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~dshaw/ +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." - Jeremy S. Anderson
At the very least, the list-outgoing alias should be changed, and the HReceived: line in merit's sendmail.cf modified so as not to identify $u.
You can do this in majordomo by appending ",nobody" to the outgoing mail alias on the resend alias line. (With nobody == /dev/null)
Everyone - thanks very much for your suggestions. Keep 'em coming, but please send them to me personally, rather than to the list. We're working on a solution and will be back in touch within a day or so. Thanks. --Susan Harris
Really, Marilyn Monroe is relevant to North America's networks. Really. -g
Is it just me or..
I just received 2 "Welcome to nanog" messages and then this...a bounce.. Is someone playing with us?
From: nanog@merit.edu To: listserv@roadrunner.gateway2000.com Subject: Subscribe
join new.product join web.contests join press.releases
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- James D. Butt 'J.D.' Network Engineer Voice 319-557-8463 Network Operations Center Fax 319-557-9771 MidWest Communications, Inc. Pager 319-557-6347 241 Main St. noc@mwci.net Dubuque, IA 52001 jbutt@mwci.net --------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Mon, Nov 17, 1997 at 06:32:09PM -0600, James D. Butt wrote:
Is it just me or..
I just received 2 "Welcome to nanog" messages and then this...a bounce.. Is someone playing with us?
I would think so ... those nanog subscribe messages looked as if someone tried to subscribe nanog to nanog. Goofy. :) -- //Dan -=- This message brought to you by djhoward@uiuc.edu -=- \\/yori -=- Information - http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ -=- aiokomete -=- Our Honored Symbol deserves an Honorable Retirement
I just received about half A dozen very pathetic responses for my showing what an internet user thinks when he/she receives spam mail. It was an example, and while my career spans 20 years since the days of arpanet at Nasa Ames. I did not expect such A childish and disrespectful response! Henry R. Linneweh Network Applications Engineer James D. Butt wrote:
Is it just me or..
I just received 2 "Welcome to nanog" messages and then this...a bounce.. Is someone playing with us?
From: nanog@merit.edu To: listserv@roadrunner.gateway2000.com Subject: Subscribe
join new.product join web.contests join press.releases
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- James D. Butt 'J.D.' Network Engineer Voice 319-557-8463 Network Operations Center Fax 319-557-9771 MidWest Communications, Inc. Pager 319-557-6347 241 Main St. noc@mwci.net Dubuque, IA 52001 jbutt@mwci.net --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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On Mon, Nov 17, 1997 at 06:32:09PM -0600, James D. Butt wrote:
Is it just me or..
I just received 2 "Welcome to nanog" messages and then this...a bounce.. Is someone playing with us?
Someone's forge-subscribing the list to other lists, or at least it looks that way. -- Steve Sobol, Tech Support, New Age Consulting Service, Inc. 216 619-2000 sjsobol @ nacs.net http://www.nacs.net "The problem with the gene pool is that there's no lifeguard." - A friend of mine on #romance
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