At 01:55 PM 6/9/97 -0500, Jeremy Porter wrote:
In message <3.0.1.32.19970608231642.00d49e1c@texoma.net>, Larry Vaden writes:
At 10:54 PM 6/8/97 -0500, Jeremy Porter wrote:
This means that you should use renumbering technology as much as possible, so that when you can justify a /19 you can get one, until then, find an ISP that is multi-homes and can provide you the IP addresses you need, and consider two connections to them, giving you the benefit of being multi-homed without the cost of the routers needed for full BGP, or needing to justify a /19.
A quick question:
What is the immediate utilization rate required for an ISP's first /19?
Please provide a basis in RFC2050 et al relevant documents for your answer.
The /19 is required to be utilized in 6 months, as part of slow start. (Under Internic guidelines, under ARIN this could be changed.) Check out www.arin.net, www.ripe.net, and www.apnic.net for the indivdual registries polices.
--- Jeremy Porter, Freeside Communications, Inc. jerry@fc.net PO BOX 80315 Austin, Tx 78708 | 1-800-968-8750 | 512-458-9810 http://www.fc.net
Jeremy, that's the way I read it also, but Kim Hubbard of InterNIC says an ISP applying for their first /19 must show 100% immediate utilization of a /19 to obtain one from InterNIC. I don't see the part of RFC2050 which supports Kim's interpretation, especially for a currently multi-homed ISP. Do you or others? Dr. Jon Postel has also been silent in regard to pointing out the authority for the 100% immediate utilization rate. Thanks, Larry Vaden, founder and CEO help-desk 903-813-4500 Internet Texoma, Inc. <http://www.texoma.net> direct 903-870-0365 bringing the real Internet to rural Texomaland fax 903-868-8551 Member ISP/C, TISPA and USIPA pager 903-867-6571
On Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 02:08:51PM -0500, Larry Vaden wrote:
At 01:55 PM 6/9/97 -0500, Jeremy Porter wrote:
In message <3.0.1.32.19970608231642.00d49e1c@texoma.net>, Larry Vaden writes:
At 10:54 PM 6/8/97 -0500, Jeremy Porter wrote:
This means that you should use renumbering technology as much as possible, so that when you can justify a /19 you can get one, until then, find an ISP that is multi-homes and can provide you the IP addresses you need, and consider two connections to them, giving you the benefit of being multi-homed without the cost of the routers needed for full BGP, or needing to justify a /19.
A quick question:
What is the immediate utilization rate required for an ISP's first /19?
Please provide a basis in RFC2050 et al relevant documents for your answer.
The /19 is required to be utilized in 6 months, as part of slow start. (Under Internic guidelines, under ARIN this could be changed.) Check out www.arin.net, www.ripe.net, and www.apnic.net for the indivdual registries polices.
--- Jeremy Porter, Freeside Communications, Inc. jerry@fc.net PO BOX 80315 Austin, Tx 78708 | 1-800-968-8750 | 512-458-9810 http://www.fc.net
Jeremy, that's the way I read it also, but Kim Hubbard of InterNIC says an ISP applying for their first /19 must show 100% immediate utilization of a /19 to obtain one from InterNIC. I don't see the part of RFC2050 which supports Kim's interpretation, especially for a currently multi-homed ISP. Do you or others?
Dr. Jon Postel has also been silent in regard to pointing out the authority for the 100% immediate utilization rate.
Thanks,
Larry Vaden, founder and CEO help-desk 903-813-4500 Internet Texoma, Inc. <http://www.texoma.net> direct 903-870-0365 bringing the real Internet to rural Texomaland fax 903-868-8551 Member ISP/C, TISPA and USIPA pager 903-867-6571
That's because under the RFCs and BCPs there isn't one. Nor, I might add, would @Home's allocation (or dozens of others) be or have been legit under such a policy. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity http://www.mcs.net/~karl | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | 99 Analog numbers, 77 ISDN, http://www.mcs.net/ Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| NOW Serving 56kbps DIGITAL on our analog lines! Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | 2 FULL DS-3 Internet links; 400Mbps B/W Internal
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