We are building a 40G metro ring using 40-Gigabit Ethernet QSFP+ Transceivers. Specifically, we are using Juniper JNP-QSFP-40G-LR4. This is a QSFP+ Transceiver with a LC duplex head. We only have one pair of single mode dark fibers around the ring. Our distance between nodes around the ring are all less than 10KM, so we can use standard optics. We go out of one JNP-QSFP-40G-LR4 and into another JNP-QSFP-40G-LR4. There are no passive muxes involved. This is working great for 40G. My understanding is a JNP-QSFP-40G-LR4 is really a transceiver with a CWDM mux built into it. The spec sheet shows it sends 4 10G channels: https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/release-independent/junos/topics... Lane wavelength Lane 0–1264.5 nm through 1277.5 nm Lane 1–1284.5 nm through 1297.5 nm Lane 2–1304.5 nm through 1317.5 nm Lane 3–1324.5 nm through 1337.5 nm This setup is working fine, but now we want to do more than 40G around the ring. To my knowledge there are no other 40G QSFP+ transceivers that use four other channel/lanes than the ones already being used, so they only way to go higher than 40G is to stack 10G or 100G channels ontop of the fiber pair using a passive mux. 100G is too expensive for the time being, so we are looking to add 10G channels to a ring that already have one 40G channel using the QSFP+. I was reading this tutorial, and it mentions "there is a 1310 nm port integrated in a 40 channels DWDM Mux/Demux system. The 1310nm added port is a Wide Band Optic port (WBO) added to other specific DWDM wavelengths in a module. When we run out of all channels in a DWDM Mux/Demux system, we can add the extra optics via this 1310nm port." http://www.fs.com/upgrade-to-500g-with-40ch-dwdm-mux-demux-system-aid-493.ht... What I can't seem to understand is they are mentioning that this 1310 port can pass QSFP+ signals, so it sounds like its really a 1270nm through 1330nm port? Is this what they mean by Wide Band Optic port (WBO)? We don't need 40 10G channels plus a 40G for a total of 440G. More than likely we are looking at a 8 channel mux/demux, and 1 40G port for a total of 120G. I don't care if we do CWDM vs DWDM, but I assume it will be hard to find a CWDM mux that has one LC dupluex input for 1270nm through 1330nm channels? Maybe I should just ditch the 40G QSFP+ optics and use all 10G optics, but the switches I am using have 48 10G SFP+ ports and 6 QSFP+ ports built in. I know there are 40G breakout cables, but the whole point of 40G is to aggregate VLAN/circuits. Has anyone done this before?
On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:26:55 -0500, Colton Conor wrote [snip]
Maybe I should just ditch the 40G QSFP+ optics and use all 10G optics, but the switches I am using have 48 10G SFP+ ports and 6 QSFP+ ports built in. I know there are 40G breakout cables, but the whole point of 40G is to aggregate VLAN/circuits.
Depending on switch vendor, it might be possible to create real 40GE interface also from 4 consecutive 10G SFP+ ports. Then you can use standard 10G CWDM/DWDM SFP+ optics and still benefit from wire-speed 40G uplinks. Note that this is *not* etherchannel/LAG, but true HW-based 40GE mode. M.
Answers in-line below. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message -----
From: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:26:55 PM Subject: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
We are building a 40G metro ring using 40-Gigabit Ethernet QSFP+ Transceivers. Specifically, we are using Juniper JNP-QSFP-40G-LR4. This is a QSFP+ Transceiver with a LC duplex head. We only have one pair of single mode dark fibers around the ring. Our distance between nodes around the ring are all less than 10KM, so we can use standard optics.
We go out of one JNP-QSFP-40G-LR4 and into another JNP-QSFP-40G-LR4. There are no passive muxes involved. This is working great for 40G.
My understanding is a JNP-QSFP-40G-LR4 is really a transceiver with a CWDM mux built into it. The spec sheet shows it sends 4 10G channels:
https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/release-independent/junos/topics...
Lane wavelength Lane 0–1264.5 nm through 1277.5 nm Lane 1–1284.5 nm through 1297.5 nm Lane 2–1304.5 nm through 1317.5 nm Lane 3–1324.5 nm through 1337.5 nm
YES this is correct and goes for pretty much all of the SMF QSFP+ 40g Optics. (they utilize 4 cwdm channels)
This setup is working fine, but now we want to do more than 40G around the ring. To my knowledge there are no other 40G QSFP+ transceivers that use four other channel/lanes than the ones already being used, so they only way to go higher than 40G is to stack 10G or 100G channels ontop of the fiber pair using a passive mux.
Typically you would stack 40G + 10g Channels or 100G+10g Channels (100g optics would be using 4 channels as well).
100G is too expensive for the time being, so we are looking to add 10G channels to a ring that already have one 40G channel using the QSFP+.
Yep, that would be the cost effective way to do it.
I was reading this tutorial, and it mentions "there is a 1310 nm port integrated in a 40 channels DWDM Mux/Demux system. The 1310nm added port is a Wide Band Optic port (WBO) added to other specific DWDM wavelengths in a module. When we run out of all channels in a DWDM Mux/Demux system, we can add the extra optics via this 1310nm port." http://www.fs.com/upgrade-to-500g-with-40ch-dwdm-mux-demux-system-aid-493.ht...
What I can't seem to understand is they are mentioning that this 1310 port can pass QSFP+ signals, so it sounds like its really a 1270nm through 1330nm port? Is this what they mean by Wide Band Optic port (WBO)?
Yes that would be correct, 1310nm is simple nomenclature when used with 40g/100g QSFP+ SMF optics
We don't need 40 10G channels plus a 40G for a total of 440G. More than likely we are looking at a 8 channel mux/demux, and 1 40G port for a total of 120G.
I don't care if we do CWDM vs DWDM, but I assume it will be hard to find a CWDM mux that has one LC dupluex input for 1270nm through 1330nm channels?
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel. These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
Maybe I should just ditch the 40G QSFP+ optics and use all 10G optics, but the switches I am using have 48 10G SFP+ ports and 6 QSFP+ ports built in. I know there are 40G breakout cables, but the whole point of 40G is to aggregate VLAN/circuits.
Has anyone done this before?
Am in the process of lighting a number of locations in this manner...
Faisal, How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable? Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. . -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics Answers in-line below. If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel. These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics Faisal, How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable? Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. . -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics Answers in-line below. If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel. These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the special ports handle? http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port options: 1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all channels to be added besides the client channels?) 2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)? 3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what range does it really support or is there no a range?) 4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?) Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy? On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
------------------------------ *From: *"Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com> *Cc: *"nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM *Subject: *RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 <(985)%20536-1212> Fax: 985.536.0300 <(985)%20536-0300> Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
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-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
Answers in-line ... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
From: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>, "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the special ports handle? http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port options:
1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all channels to be added besides the client channels?)
Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind).
2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)?
I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of the light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else can offer some practical use for this port.
3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what range does it really support or is there no a range?)
Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the 40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru
4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?)
I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack a DWDM Mux
Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy?
As I shared above, I don't.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote:
Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
From: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net >, "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > Cc: "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
_________________________________________________________________________________________________
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-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto: nanog-bounces@nanog.org ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM? On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
Answers in-line ...
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
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*From: *"Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> *Cc: *"Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org>, "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM *Subject: *Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the special ports handle? http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port options:
1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all channels to be added besides the client channels?)
Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind).
2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)?
I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of the light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else can offer some practical use for this port.
3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what range does it really support or is there no a range?)
Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the 40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru
4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?)
I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack a DWDM Mux
Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy?
As I shared above, I don't.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
------------------------------ *From: *"Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com> *Cc: *"nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM *Subject: *RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 <(985)%20536-1212> Fax: 985.536.0300 <(985)%20536-0300> Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
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-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
I'd imagine they vary based on vendor, so you'd have to check with the specific vendor in terms of absolute technical specifications. A 1310 and 1550 port only allow those channels plus or minus some, manufacturer dependent. An expansion port passes everything not used by that device. Some manufacturers are even configurable pre-order, so you could get exactly what you needed (other than multiple 40G channels). ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:14:19 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM? On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < faisal@snappytelecom.net > wrote: Answers in-line ... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net <blockquote> From: "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > To: "Mike Hammett" < nanog@ics-il.net > Cc: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com >, "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org >, "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics <blockquote> I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the special ports handle? http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port options: 1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all channels to be added besides the client channels?) </blockquote> Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind). <blockquote> 2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)? </blockquote> I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of the light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else can offer some practical use for this port. <blockquote> 3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what range does it really support or is there no a range?) </blockquote> Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the 40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru <blockquote> 4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?) </blockquote> I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack a DWDM Mux <blockquote> Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy? </blockquote> As I shared above, I don't. <blockquote> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote: <blockquote> Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com From: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net >, "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > Cc: "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics Faisal, How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable? Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. . -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto: nanog-bounces@nanog.org ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics Answers in-line below. If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel. These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :) </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote>
I guess that makes sense. The plus or minus some is the question. FS is claiming their 1310 port support QSFP+, which is 1270, 1290, 1310, and 1330 combined. I understand you can us 1310, but I am still scratching my head as to how they all one minus and two above 1310 to work. Of course they don't have any datasheets to show the range either. On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
I'd imagine they vary based on vendor, so you'd have to check with the specific vendor in terms of absolute technical specifications.
A 1310 and 1550 port only allow those channels plus or minus some, manufacturer dependent. An expansion port passes everything not used by that device.
Some manufacturers are even configurable pre-order, so you could get exactly what you needed (other than multiple 40G channels).
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:14:19 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM?
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < faisal@snappytelecom.net
wrote:
Answers in-line ...
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
<blockquote> From: "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > To: "Mike Hammett" < nanog@ics-il.net > Cc: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com >, "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org >, "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
<blockquote>
I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the special ports handle?
http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port options:
1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all channels to be added besides the client channels?) </blockquote>
Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind).
<blockquote>
2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)? </blockquote>
I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of the light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else can offer some practical use for this port. <blockquote>
3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what range does it really support or is there no a range?) </blockquote>
Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the 40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru
<blockquote>
4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?)
</blockquote>
I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack a DWDM Mux
<blockquote>
Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy?
</blockquote>
As I shared above, I don't.
<blockquote>
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote:
<blockquote>
Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
From: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net >, "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > Cc: "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
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-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto: nanog-bounces@nanog.org ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
If their 1310 passes them I would have to think you can't use is with other client ports that would fall within the window. Here is a graph showing those 4 for the 40g it seems. http://public-wordpress-kkc.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Grap... -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+lguillory=reservetele.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Colton Conor Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:32 PM To: Mike Hammett Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics I guess that makes sense. The plus or minus some is the question. FS is claiming their 1310 port support QSFP+, which is 1270, 1290, 1310, and 1330 combined. I understand you can us 1310, but I am still scratching my head as to how they all one minus and two above 1310 to work. Of course they don't have any datasheets to show the range either. On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
I'd imagine they vary based on vendor, so you'd have to check with the specific vendor in terms of absolute technical specifications.
A 1310 and 1550 port only allow those channels plus or minus some, manufacturer dependent. An expansion port passes everything not used by that device.
Some manufacturers are even configurable pre-order, so you could get exactly what you needed (other than multiple 40G channels).
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:14:19 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM?
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < faisal@snappytelecom.net
wrote:
Answers in-line ...
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
<blockquote> From: "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > To: "Mike Hammett" < nanog@ics-il.net > Cc: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com >, "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org >, "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
<blockquote>
I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the special ports handle?
http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port options:
1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all channels to be added besides the client channels?) </blockquote>
Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind).
<blockquote>
2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)? </blockquote>
I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of the light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else can offer some practical use for this port. <blockquote>
3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what range does it really support or is there no a range?) </blockquote>
Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the 40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru
<blockquote>
4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?)
</blockquote>
I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack a DWDM Mux
<blockquote>
Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy?
</blockquote>
As I shared above, I don't.
<blockquote>
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote:
<blockquote>
Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
From: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net >, "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > Cc: "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________
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-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto: nanog-bounces@nanog.org ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
Luke, I agree, I would be talking about getting one with the 1310NM special port for the QSFP+ input that emitts 1270-1330nm light, and then say 4 client ports on different channels than that light range. On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Luke Guillory <lguillory@reservetele.com> wrote:
If their 1310 passes them I would have to think you can't use is with other client ports that would fall within the window. Here is a graph showing those 4 for the 40g it seems.
http://public-wordpress-kkc.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/ uploads/2014/07/Graph1.jpg
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+lguillory=reservetele.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Colton Conor Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:32 PM To: Mike Hammett Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
I guess that makes sense. The plus or minus some is the question. FS is claiming their 1310 port support QSFP+, which is 1270, 1290, 1310, and 1330 combined. I understand you can us 1310, but I am still scratching my head as to how they all one minus and two above 1310 to work. Of course they don't have any datasheets to show the range either.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
I'd imagine they vary based on vendor, so you'd have to check with the specific vendor in terms of absolute technical specifications.
A 1310 and 1550 port only allow those channels plus or minus some, manufacturer dependent. An expansion port passes everything not used by that device.
Some manufacturers are even configurable pre-order, so you could get exactly what you needed (other than multiple 40G channels).
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:14:19 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM?
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < faisal@snappytelecom.net
wrote:
Answers in-line ...
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
<blockquote> From: "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > To: "Mike Hammett" < nanog@ics-il.net > Cc: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com >, "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org >, "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
<blockquote>
I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the special ports handle?
http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port options:
1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all channels to be added besides the client channels?) </blockquote>
Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind).
<blockquote>
2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)? </blockquote>
I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of the light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else can offer some practical use for this port. <blockquote>
3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what range does it really support or is there no a range?) </blockquote>
Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the 40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru
<blockquote>
4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?)
</blockquote>
I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack a DWDM Mux
<blockquote>
Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy?
</blockquote>
As I shared above, I don't.
<blockquote>
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote:
<blockquote>
Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
From: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net >, "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > Cc: "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________
Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. .
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto: nanog-bounces@nanog.org ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
My understanding is that ports on the client side would have cut filters for that color, having 1310 and 1550 are nice since you can hang gear you already have off the mux for OOB and so on. I don’t think I have any CWDM with expansion ports to test with. We use the following for simple testing, is it there and what’s the power. http://solid-optics.com/tools/power-meter/so-osa-cwdm-18ch-id1685.html Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager [cid:image300878.JPG@eb7e400b.44984f6e] <http://www.rtconline.com> Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com Web: www.rtconline.com Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084 Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. From: Colton Conor [mailto:colton.conor@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:14 PM To: Faisal Imtiaz Cc: Mike Hammett; Luke Guillory; nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM? On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappytelecom.net<mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net>> wrote: Answers in-line ... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232<tel:(305)%20663-5518> Help-desk: (305)663-5518<tel:(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net<mailto:Support@Snappytelecom.net> ________________________________ From: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com<mailto:colton.conor@gmail.com>> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> Cc: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com<mailto:lguillory@reservetele.com>>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>, "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net<mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the special ports handle? http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port options: 1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all channels to be added besides the client channels?) Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind). 2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)? I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of the light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else can offer some practical use for this port. 3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what range does it really support or is there no a range?) Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the 40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru 4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?) I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack a DWDM Mux Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy? As I shared above, I don't. On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote: Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ________________________________ From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com<mailto:lguillory@reservetele.com>> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net<mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net>>, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com<mailto:colton.conor@gmail.com>> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics Faisal, How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable? Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager Tel: 985.536.1212<tel:(985)%20536-1212> Fax: 985.536.0300<tel:(985)%20536-0300> Email: lguillory@reservetele.com<mailto:lguillory@reservetele.com> Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. . -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org>] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics Answers in-line below. If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel. These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
I think you will find the "monitor" port is most likely to be used for "lawful" intercept by unnamed government entities. -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Colton Conor Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 8:14 AM To: Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM? On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port
Hmm.. not sure how you are reading this... I believe that there is no 'standard' and as such the actual filter on the mux/demux you are using may vary by mfg. I can confirm what is an expansion port... (pass everything thru that is not being filtered by the mux/demux ) I can also confirm that Fiberstore 1310nm port (not to be confused with the CWDM 1310 port) will pass all 4 wavelengths for 40g/100g optics. I don't have experience with the 1550nm port.
For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring.
Correct that is what it is designed for..... it allows a fraction of light (I am guessing would also cause an increase in insertion loss figure).
Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM? If you look at the OADM's e.g. like a Cisco CWDM OADM with monitor ports, you will see that they are on both sides east & west.
Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
From: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:14:19 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM?
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < faisal@snappytelecom.net > wrote:
Answers in-line ...
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
From: "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > To: "Mike Hammett" < nanog@ics-il.net > Cc: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com >, "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org >, "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the special ports handle? http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port options:
1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all channels to be added besides the client channels?)
Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind).
2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)?
I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of the light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else can offer some practical use for this port.
3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what range does it really support or is there no a range?)
Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the 40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru
4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?)
I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack a DWDM Mux
Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy?
As I shared above, I don't.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote:
Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
From: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net >, "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > Cc: "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
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-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto: nanog-bounces@nanog.org ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
Do you have any idea if fiberstore has one with both a monitor and 1310 wideband port? I would want both. Seeing as how they don't charge extra for an expansion port, but do for other special ports I am thinking of just using the expansion port. On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port
Hmm.. not sure how you are reading this... I believe that there is no 'standard' and as such the actual filter on the mux/demux you are using may vary by mfg. I can confirm what is an expansion port... (pass everything thru that is not being filtered by the mux/demux ) I can also confirm that Fiberstore 1310nm port (not to be confused with the CWDM 1310 port) will pass all 4 wavelengths for 40g/100g optics. I don't have experience with the 1550nm port.
For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring.
Correct that is what it is designed for..... it allows a fraction of light (I am guessing would also cause an increase in insertion loss figure).
Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM? If you look at the OADM's e.g. like a Cisco CWDM OADM with monitor ports, you will see that they are on both sides east & west.
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
------------------------------
*From: *"Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> *Cc: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 4:14:19 PM
*Subject: *Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM?
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
Answers in-line ...
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net ------------------------------
*From: *"Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> *Cc: *"Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org>, "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM *Subject: *Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the special ports handle? http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port options:
1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all channels to be added besides the client channels?)
Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind).
2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)?
I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of the light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else can offer some practical use for this port.
3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what range does it really support or is there no a range?)
Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the 40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru
4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?)
I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack a DWDM Mux
Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy?
As I shared above, I don't.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
------------------------------ *From: *"Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com> *Cc: *"nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM *Subject: *RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 <(985)%20536-1212> Fax: 985.536.0300 <(985)%20536-0300> Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
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-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
You can see the CWDM mux listed on their site, and they will also make custom mux for you. Let me know if you need a Sales Contact for them.. My last set of muxes from them were custom muxes and they were able to get me a configuration with a lower insertion loss than what is listed on their website. ( I paid a small premium for that feature, which I was very happy to). Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
From: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 7:14:53 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Do you have any idea if fiberstore has one with both a monitor and 1310 wideband port? I would want both. Seeing as how they don't charge extra for an expansion port, but do for other special ports I am thinking of just using the expansion port.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < faisal@snappytelecom.net > wrote:
From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port Hmm.. not sure how you are reading this... I believe that there is no 'standard' and as such the actual filter on the mux/demux you are using may vary by mfg. I can confirm what is an expansion port... (pass everything thru that is not being filtered by the mux/demux ) I can also confirm that Fiberstore 1310nm port (not to be confused with the CWDM 1310 port) will pass all 4 wavelengths for 40g/100g optics. I don't have experience with the 1550nm port.
For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring.
Correct that is what it is designed for..... it allows a fraction of light (I am guessing would also cause an increase in insertion loss figure).
Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM? If you look at the OADM's e.g. like a Cisco CWDM OADM with monitor ports, you will see that they are on both sides east & west.
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
From: "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net > Cc: "Mike Hammett" < nanog@ics-il.net >, "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com >, "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:14:19 PM
Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM?
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < faisal@snappytelecom.net > wrote:
Answers in-line ...
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
From: "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > To: "Mike Hammett" < nanog@ics-il.net > Cc: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com >, "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org >, "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the special ports handle? http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port options:
1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all channels to be added besides the client channels?)
Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind).
2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)?
I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of the light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else can offer some practical use for this port.
3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what range does it really support or is there no a range?)
Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the 40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru
4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?)
I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack a DWDM Mux
Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy?
As I shared above, I don't.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote:
Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
From: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" < faisal@snappytelecom.net >, "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > Cc: "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
_________________________________________________________________________________________________
Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. .
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto: nanog-bounces@nanog.org ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
Another alternative is to ask the http://www.beetlefiberoptics.com guys. They build muxes on spec and they can also provide a 1310nm wide-band port on their units which allows a 40/100G-LR4 aside from the 1550nm DWDM band. We’ve used some simple splitters (line/1310nm LR4/1550nm DWDM ports on a unit) and full passive DWDM muxes with a 40/100G-LR4 port on there and these work pretty good. Jeroen Wunnink IP Engineering manager office: +31.208.200.622 ext. 1011 Amsterdam Office www.gtt.net <http://www.gtt.net/> On 20/06/2017, 01:14, "NANOG on behalf of Colton Conor" <nanog-bounces@nanog.org on behalf of colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote: Do you have any idea if fiberstore has one with both a monitor and 1310 wideband port? I would want both. Seeing as how they don't charge extra for an expansion port, but do for other special ports I am thinking of just using the expansion port. On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappytelecom.net> wrote: > > >>From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the > expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port > > Hmm.. not sure how you are reading this... > I believe that there is no 'standard' and as such the actual filter on the > mux/demux you are using may vary by mfg. > I can confirm what is an expansion port... (pass everything thru that is > not being filtered by the mux/demux ) > I can also confirm that Fiberstore 1310nm port (not to be confused with > the CWDM 1310 port) will pass all 4 wavelengths for 40g/100g optics. > I don't have experience with the 1550nm port. > > >>For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to > plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that > node without breaking the ring. > > Correct that is what it is designed for..... it allows a fraction of > light (I am guessing would also cause an increase in insertion loss > figure). > > >> Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you > were using a OADM? > If you look at the OADM's e.g. like a Cisco CWDM OADM with monitor ports, > you will see that they are on both sides east & west. > > > Regards. > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > Support@Snappytelecom.net > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> > *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> > *Cc: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "Luke Guillory" < > lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> > *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 4:14:19 PM > > *Subject: *Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics > > Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real > difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real > world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a > handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without > breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both > directions is you were using a OADM? > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappytelecom.net> > wrote: > >> Answers in-line ... >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >> Support@Snappytelecom.net >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> >> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> >> *Cc: *"Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" < >> nanog@nanog.org>, "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> >> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM >> *Subject: *Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics >> >> I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are >> clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the >> special ports handle? >> http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port >> options: >> >> 1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to >> stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all >> channels to be added besides the client channels?) >> >> >> Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting >> mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind). >> >> 2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor >> up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I >> assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)? >> >> I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of the >> light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else >> can offer some practical use for this port. >> >> 3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 >> since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what >> range does it really support or is there no a range?) >> >> Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the >> 40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru >> >> 4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?) >> >> I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial >> understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack >> a DWDM Mux >> >> Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy? >> >> As I shared above, I don't. >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >>> Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the >>> passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> Midwest-IX >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> >>> *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" < >>> colton.conor@gmail.com> >>> *Cc: *"nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> >>> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM >>> *Subject: *RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics >>> >>> >>> Faisal, >>> >>> How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently >>> on a single LC cable? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Luke Guillory >>> Network Operations Manager >>> >>> Tel: 985.536.1212 <(985)%20536-1212> >>> Fax: 985.536.0300 <(985)%20536-0300> >>> Email: lguillory@reservetele.com >>> >>> Reserve Telecommunications >>> 100 RTC Dr >>> Reserve, LA 70084 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> _____________________________________ >>> >>> Disclaimer: >>> The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for >>> the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >>> confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, >>> distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail >>> if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from >>> your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or >>> error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, >>> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does >>> not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this >>> message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. . >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM >>> To: Colton Conor >>> Cc: nanog list >>> Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics >>> >>> Answers in-line below. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common >>> configuration of >>> >>> Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm >>> >>> in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass >>> thru channel. >>> >>> These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :) >>> >>> >>> >> >
Besides FS.com and http://www.beetlefiberoptics.com, do you have any more recommendations for passive muxes? I usually stick to and like FiberStore, but I am wondering if there is anything out there better/cheaper. One of the things I am noticing is the CWDM and DWDM SFP+ optics are quite expensive at $250 for CWDM and $350 for DWDM. I guess it shouldn't be cheap to send 10G around a ring, but I am wondering what transponders cost. On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 3:55 AM, Jeroen Wunnink <Jeroen.Wunnink@gtt.net> wrote:
Another alternative is to ask the http://www.beetlefiberoptics.com guys. They build muxes on spec and they can also provide a 1310nm wide-band port on their units which allows a 40/100G-LR4 aside from the 1550nm DWDM band.
We’ve used some simple splitters (line/1310nm LR4/1550nm DWDM ports on a unit) and full passive DWDM muxes with a 40/100G-LR4 port on there and these work pretty good.
Jeroen Wunnink IP Engineering manager office: +31.208.200.622 ext. 1011 Amsterdam Office www.gtt.net <http://www.gtt.net/>
On 20/06/2017, 01:14, "NANOG on behalf of Colton Conor" < nanog-bounces@nanog.org on behalf of colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have any idea if fiberstore has one with both a monitor and 1310 wideband port? I would want both.
Seeing as how they don't charge extra for an expansion port, but do for other special ports I am thinking of just using the expansion port.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < faisal@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> > >>From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the > expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port > > Hmm.. not sure how you are reading this... > I believe that there is no 'standard' and as such the actual filter on the > mux/demux you are using may vary by mfg. > I can confirm what is an expansion port... (pass everything thru that is > not being filtered by the mux/demux ) > I can also confirm that Fiberstore 1310nm port (not to be confused with > the CWDM 1310 port) will pass all 4 wavelengths for 40g/100g optics. > I don't have experience with the 1550nm port. > > >>For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to > plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that > node without breaking the ring. > > Correct that is what it is designed for..... it allows a fraction of > light (I am guessing would also cause an increase in insertion loss > figure). > > >> Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you > were using a OADM? > If you look at the OADM's e.g. like a Cisco CWDM OADM with monitor ports, > you will see that they are on both sides east & west. > > > Regards. > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > Support@Snappytelecom.net > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> > *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> > *Cc: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "Luke Guillory" < > lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> > *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 4:14:19 PM > > *Subject: *Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics > > Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real > difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real > world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a > handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without > breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both > directions is you were using a OADM? > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < faisal@snappytelecom.net> > wrote: > >> Answers in-line ... >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >> Support@Snappytelecom.net >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> >> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> >> *Cc: *"Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" < >> nanog@nanog.org>, "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> >> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM >> *Subject: *Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics >> >> I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are >> clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the >> special ports handle? >> http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port >> options: >> >> 1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to >> stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all >> channels to be added besides the client channels?) >> >> >> Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting >> mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind). >> >> 2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor >> up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I >> assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)? >> >> I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of the >> light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else >> can offer some practical use for this port. >> >> 3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 >> since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what >> range does it really support or is there no a range?) >> >> Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the >> 40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru >> >> 4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?) >> >> I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial >> understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack >> a DWDM Mux >> >> Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy? >> >> As I shared above, I don't. >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >>> Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the >>> passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> Midwest-IX >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> >>> *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" < >>> colton.conor@gmail.com> >>> *Cc: *"nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> >>> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM >>> *Subject: *RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics >>> >>> >>> Faisal, >>> >>> How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently >>> on a single LC cable? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Luke Guillory >>> Network Operations Manager >>> >>> Tel: 985.536.1212 <(985)%20536-1212> >>> Fax: 985.536.0300 <(985)%20536-0300> >>> Email: lguillory@reservetele.com >>> >>> Reserve Telecommunications >>> 100 RTC Dr >>> Reserve, LA 70084 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> _____________________________________ >>> >>> Disclaimer: >>> The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for >>> the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >>> confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, >>> distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail >>> if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from >>> your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or >>> error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, >>> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does >>> not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this >>> message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. . >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM >>> To: Colton Conor >>> Cc: nanog list >>> Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics >>> >>> Answers in-line below. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common >>> configuration of >>> >>> Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm >>> >>> in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass >>> thru channel. >>> >>> These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :) >>> >>> >>> >> >
Hi, Ex CubeOptics (now Huber Schuner) are just great. Been using them for years, rock solid. I highly recommend them. Best regards.
Le 26 juil. 2017 à 04:28, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> a écrit :
Besides FS.com and http://www.beetlefiberoptics.com, do you have any more recommendations for passive muxes? I usually stick to and like FiberStore, but I am wondering if there is anything out there better/cheaper.
One of the things I am noticing is the CWDM and DWDM SFP+ optics are quite expensive at $250 for CWDM and $350 for DWDM. I guess it shouldn't be cheap to send 10G around a ring, but I am wondering what transponders cost.
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 3:55 AM, Jeroen Wunnink <Jeroen.Wunnink@gtt.net> wrote:
Another alternative is to ask the http://www.beetlefiberoptics.com guys. They build muxes on spec and they can also provide a 1310nm wide-band port on their units which allows a 40/100G-LR4 aside from the 1550nm DWDM band.
We’ve used some simple splitters (line/1310nm LR4/1550nm DWDM ports on a unit) and full passive DWDM muxes with a 40/100G-LR4 port on there and these work pretty good.
Jeroen Wunnink IP Engineering manager office: +31.208.200.622 ext. 1011 Amsterdam Office www.gtt.net <http://www.gtt.net/>
On 20/06/2017, 01:14, "NANOG on behalf of Colton Conor" < nanog-bounces@nanog.org on behalf of colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have any idea if fiberstore has one with both a monitor and 1310 wideband port? I would want both.
Seeing as how they don't charge extra for an expansion port, but do for other special ports I am thinking of just using the expansion port.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < faisal@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port
Hmm.. not sure how you are reading this... I believe that there is no 'standard' and as such the actual filter
mux/demux you are using may vary by mfg. I can confirm what is an expansion port... (pass everything thru
not being filtered by the mux/demux ) I can also confirm that Fiberstore 1310nm port (not to be confused with the CWDM 1310 port) will pass all 4 wavelengths for 40g/100g optics. I don't have experience with the 1550nm port.
For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through
node without breaking the ring.
Correct that is what it is designed for..... it allows a fraction of light (I am guessing would also cause an increase in insertion loss figure).
Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM? If you look at the OADM's e.g. like a Cisco CWDM OADM with monitor
you will see that they are on both sides east & west.
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
------------------------------
*From: *"Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> *Cc: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "Luke Guillory" < lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 4:14:19 PM
*Subject: *Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM?
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < faisal@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
Answers in-line ...
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net ------------------------------
*From: *"Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> *Cc: *"Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org>, "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM *Subject: *Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the special ports handle? http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port options:
1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all channels to be added besides the client channels?)
Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind).
2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)?
I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of the light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else can offer some practical use for this port.
3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what range does it really support or is there no a range?)
Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having
40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru
4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?)
I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack a DWDM Mux
Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy?
As I shared above, I don't.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for
passive mux in question. This would only work for a single channel.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
------------------------------ *From: *"Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com> *Cc: *"nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 2:13:10 PM *Subject: *RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 <(985)%20536-1212> Fax: 985.536.0300 <(985)%20536-0300> Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
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-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
Bench test of the system, with the muxes... sorry for the large pictures :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
_________________________________________________________________________________________________
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-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
And how would he pass his current 40g through that mux? Unless I'm misreading your email which I took as he can use his current setup along with a 40g 1310, though I'm thinking you're saying he can use 1310 40g with colored up 10gs alongside of it. -----Original Message----- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:27 PM To: Luke Guillory Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics Bench test of the system, with the muxes... sorry for the large pictures :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
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-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
Let me try to explain better... All Single Mode Fiber 40g Optics are using 4 cwdm channels ... If you use a cwdm mux/demux with and expansion port and it is only mux/de-muxing 1450 to 1610 (i.e. not using the 1270-1330) you can use the expansion port to connect the 40g Optics If you have a CWDM or DWDM Mux, with a specific 1310 pass thru port (Wide-band etc... check the specs) then you can plug the 40g Optics on to that port and it will pass the 4 channels thru it. e.g. with the cwdm mux (see picture in previous post) ..you end up with 1x40g (lane) + 8 or 9 10g (cwdm lanes). Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:39:00 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
And how would he pass his current 40g through that mux? Unless I'm misreading your email which I took as he can use his current setup along with a 40g 1310, though I'm thinking you're saying he can use 1310 40g with colored up 10gs alongside of it.
-----Original Message----- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:27 PM To: Luke Guillory Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Bench test of the system, with the muxes...
sorry for the large pictures :)
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
______________________________________________________________________ ___________________________
Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. .
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
Gotcha, figured I misread it. Sorry it's Monday. -----Original Message----- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:45 PM To: Luke Guillory Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics Let me try to explain better... All Single Mode Fiber 40g Optics are using 4 cwdm channels ... If you use a cwdm mux/demux with and expansion port and it is only mux/de-muxing 1450 to 1610 (i.e. not using the 1270-1330) you can use the expansion port to connect the 40g Optics If you have a CWDM or DWDM Mux, with a specific 1310 pass thru port (Wide-band etc... check the specs) then you can plug the 40g Optics on to that port and it will pass the 4 channels thru it. e.g. with the cwdm mux (see picture in previous post) ..you end up with 1x40g (lane) + 8 or 9 10g (cwdm lanes). Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:39:00 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
And how would he pass his current 40g through that mux? Unless I'm misreading your email which I took as he can use his current setup along with a 40g 1310, though I'm thinking you're saying he can use 1310 40g with colored up 10gs alongside of it.
-----Original Message----- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:27 PM To: Luke Guillory Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Bench test of the system, with the muxes...
sorry for the large pictures :)
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
_____________________________________________________________________ _ ___________________________
Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. .
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
I tried to send some pictures, but looks like the message got stuck for moderator. Here is a link to pictures what Colton is trying to accomplish.... (my bench test :) ) https://1drv.ms/a/s!Ar2zoQlxIvI1gdV9tYj96YUDWElu6w Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:47:29 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Gotcha, figured I misread it. Sorry it's Monday.
-----Original Message----- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:45 PM To: Luke Guillory Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Let me try to explain better...
All Single Mode Fiber 40g Optics are using 4 cwdm channels ...
If you use a cwdm mux/demux with and expansion port and it is only mux/de-muxing 1450 to 1610 (i.e. not using the 1270-1330) you can use the expansion port to connect the 40g Optics
If you have a CWDM or DWDM Mux, with a specific 1310 pass thru port (Wide-band etc... check the specs) then you can plug the 40g Optics on to that port and it will pass the 4 channels thru it.
e.g. with the cwdm mux (see picture in previous post) ..you end up with 1x40g (lane) + 8 or 9 10g (cwdm lanes).
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:39:00 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
And how would he pass his current 40g through that mux? Unless I'm misreading your email which I took as he can use his current setup along with a 40g 1310, though I'm thinking you're saying he can use 1310 40g with colored up 10gs alongside of it.
-----Original Message----- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:27 PM To: Luke Guillory Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Bench test of the system, with the muxes...
sorry for the large pictures :)
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
_____________________________________________________________________ _ ___________________________
Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. .
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
Pics came in on my side, that's when I figured you were saying 1 40g plus 10s. -----Original Message----- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM To: Luke Guillory Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics I tried to send some pictures, but looks like the message got stuck for moderator. Here is a link to pictures what Colton is trying to accomplish.... (my bench test :) ) https://1drv.ms/a/s!Ar2zoQlxIvI1gdV9tYj96YUDWElu6w Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:47:29 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Gotcha, figured I misread it. Sorry it's Monday.
-----Original Message----- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:45 PM To: Luke Guillory Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Let me try to explain better...
All Single Mode Fiber 40g Optics are using 4 cwdm channels ...
If you use a cwdm mux/demux with and expansion port and it is only mux/de-muxing 1450 to 1610 (i.e. not using the 1270-1330) you can use the expansion port to connect the 40g Optics
If you have a CWDM or DWDM Mux, with a specific 1310 pass thru port (Wide-band etc... check the specs) then you can plug the 40g Optics on to that port and it will pass the 4 channels thru it.
e.g. with the cwdm mux (see picture in previous post) ..you end up with 1x40g (lane) + 8 or 9 10g (cwdm lanes).
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:39:00 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
And how would he pass his current 40g through that mux? Unless I'm misreading your email which I took as he can use his current setup along with a 40g 1310, though I'm thinking you're saying he can use 1310 40g with colored up 10gs alongside of it.
-----Original Message----- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:27 PM To: Luke Guillory Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Bench test of the system, with the muxes...
sorry for the large pictures :)
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
____________________________________________________________________ _ _ ___________________________
Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. .
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
Verify the wavelengths passed by the 1310 port. Verify the wavelengths used by his existing 40G optic. Plug the 40G optic into the 1310 port. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:39:00 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics And how would he pass his current 40g through that mux? Unless I'm misreading your email which I took as he can use his current setup along with a 40g 1310, though I'm thinking you're saying he can use 1310 40g with colored up 10gs alongside of it. -----Original Message----- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:27 PM To: Luke Guillory Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics Bench test of the system, with the muxes... sorry for the large pictures :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
______________________________________________________________________ ___________________________
Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. .
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
Mike, Have any suggestion on a meter for CWDM and DWDM that is low cost? On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Verify the wavelengths passed by the 1310 port. Verify the wavelengths used by his existing 40G optic. Plug the 40G optic into the 1310 port.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:39:00 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
And how would he pass his current 40g through that mux? Unless I'm misreading your email which I took as he can use his current setup along with a 40g 1310, though I'm thinking you're saying he can use 1310 40g with colored up 10gs alongside of it.
-----Original Message----- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:27 PM To: Luke Guillory Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Bench test of the system, with the muxes...
sorry for the large pictures :)
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Guillory" <lguillory@reservetele.com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net>, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:13:10 PM Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Faisal,
How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a single LC cable?
Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084
______________________________________________________________________ ___________________________
Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. .
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM To: Colton Conor Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
Answers in-line below.
If you look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common configuration of
Upgrade Port (expansion port) + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
in the DWDM muxes you will see them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru channel.
These are exactly what you are looking for ..... :)
participants (8)
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Colton Conor -
Faisal Imtiaz -
Jeroen Wunnink -
Luke Guillory -
Marian Ďurkovič -
Mike Hammett -
Tony Wicks -
Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr