Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy
Maybe you guys in the US are historically more paranoid, but London is just covered in single
points
of major failure for telecoms.
I think London is rather more paranoid. I work in London and just on Monday I was stopped by police at Tower Hill tube station and searched for explosive paraphernalia as part of their programme of random searches. When I told people about this in the office, several others had stories about friends who had been detained or searched within the city for one reason or another. At least in London, the strong arm of the law is only exercised in locations where there really is important infrastructure. In the USA in the past year I've travelled through half a dozen airports and the most intense searching scrutiny was when leaving the smallest ones, Eugene OR and Memphis TN. I don't believe that it would be as easy as you say for someone to open manholes, cut cables (very thick cables of glass and tough plastics), then run on to the next location. Certainly, in London, anything like this would be picked up on CCTV and the police would be rapidly dispatched to investigate. Yes, the single points of failure abound, but getting access to them for evil purposes is not as easy as it looks. --Michael Dillon
Thus spake <Michael.Dillon@radianz.com>
In the USA in the past year I've travelled through half a dozen airports and the most intense searching scrutiny was when leaving the smallest ones, Eugene OR and Memphis TN.
I've been to an airport (MLU) where the TSA employees even outnumbered the passengers by a fair margin. Your tax dollars at work! Of course, point defenses are only useful at the weakest points... Who's going to try sneaking a bomb or weapon past hand-searches, X-ray machines, dogs, etc. when you can climb an unguarded, unmonitored 8ft fence, walk right up to a bunch of planes sitting on the tarmac, and plant your package?
I don't believe that it would be as easy as you say for someone to open manholes, cut cables (very thick cables of glass and tough plastics), then run on to the next location. Certainly, in London, anything like this would be picked up on CCTV and the police would be rapidly dispatched to investigate.Yes, the single points of failure abound, but getting access to them for evil purposes is not as easy as it looks.
If you drove up in a telco service truck and wore the appropriate uniform, it's unlikely you'd ever get challenged in the US. In Dallas, most utility manholes are "locked" but it's a common key for all utilities. In the denser areas every single block has power, gas, and phone interconnect/tap vaults accessible from the street or sidewalk. The trick isn't getting access; the trick is figuring out which of the hundreds of thousands of manholes has something worth attacking. As someone else noted, the local "Call Before You Dig" folks are far more useful (and accurate) than any printed maps you're likely to get from the utilities. If you're looking to do damage with a backhoe, they'll come paint a bright-orange bulls-eye on your target for free. S Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
Michael.Dillon@radianz.com wrote:
I think London is rather more paranoid. I work in London and just on Monday I was stopped by police at Tower Hill tube station and searched for explosive paraphernalia as part of their programme of random searches. When I told people about this in the office, several others had stories about friends who had been detained or searched within the city for one reason or another.
Maybe I don't look like a tourist ;-) but this doesn't happen to me ... OK, so as a fat geek in shorts and a t-shirt I look "mostly harmless".
I don't believe that it would be as easy as you say for someone to open manholes, cut cables (very thick cables of glass and tough plastics), then run on to the next location. Certainly, in London, anything like this would be picked up on CCTV and the police would be rapidly dispatched to investigate.
Hmm. I have direct evidence (of my own eyes) to the contrary. No one cares. Luckily, in this case, those who had the manhole covers up were 'borrowing' some ducting from one side of the road to the other. Does anyone from the Goodge St. area recall ? I know the one person at least is on the mailing list :)
Yes, the single points of failure abound, but getting access to them for evil purposes is not as easy as it looks.
Until it happens. Peter
participants (3)
-
Michael.Dillon@radianz.com
-
Peter Galbavy
-
Stephen Sprunk