Hello, the discussion here is getting interesting for me, because people are talking about not only capping the Bandwidth but also capping the volume of the traffic sent by a customer. So far people are used to do the capping of bandwidth with a Bandwidth Manager device, which does traffic shaping based on e.g. application/protocols, etc. Now, since we are talking about capping on the volume, what is the product available on the market which can do both bandwidth and volume capping ? thanks, Muljawan -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Michel Py Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:28 AM To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Regional differences in P2P

Steinar Haug wrote: Telenor, the largest Norwegian service provider, capped their ADSL customers at a ridiculously low 1 Gbyte/month for a while. Presumably they lost sufficient business to other (uncapped) providers that they noticed - the cap has now been removed.

Ridiculous is the word here. Download two service packs and you're done for the month? I can understand this happening in Brazil or India, where caps are a tool to attract enough customers so they bring revenue that in turn will be re-injected in much needed backbone upgrades, but in Norway or the US it does not make a lot of sense to me.

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Michel Py wrote: I agree, but see above: a 40GB/mo cap is not something that I care about. Granted, I'm not a hardcore file swapper but 40GB/mo are more

Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: I don't know of any capped service over here, nobody dares take the first step. The largest 10meg provider here launched a new 100 meg full duplex service for their approx 200.000 household reach at USD$110 a month with a 300G cap (their 10 meg service for $45 a month is uncapped) and there has been a fair amount of users complaining about 300G not being nearly enough. When you start swapping DVDRs it just isn't.

There is a need for capping 10 and 100 meg residential though; if you want to run your 100 Mb/s pipe full all the time it represents 26TB per month in each direction; you can't give 2/3rds of an OC-3 to a customer for $110/mo. A 300GB/mo cap means that the customer is using their line an average of 1.15%, which brings the interesting question of what a reasonable speed/cap ration should be. 1.5 Mb/s = 389 GB/mo 10 Mb/s = 2.6 TB/mo 100 Mb/s = 26 TB/mo Speed/cap ratios: 1.5 Mb/s capped at 1 GB/mo = 0.25% ridiculous IMHO 10 Mb/s capped at 40 GB/mo = 1.54% 100 Mb/s capped at 300 GB/mo = 1.15% Thoughts, anyone? Michel.