re gige: As long as we're discussing reading material, the July 2001 Cook report contains two good interviews on Ethernet in the First Mile (EFM) with Howard Frazier [ex-Cisco, now-Dominet] and WorldWidePacket's Jonathan Thatcher. 10 gige is discussed sporadically throughout, along with three variations of outside plant (Ethernet over UTP, P-P Fiber, and P-MP Fiber PONs, or EPONs) with implications to the greater 'Net's backbone, and other architectural opportunities/implications. http://www.cookreport.com FAC ------Original Message------ From: "Nipper, Arnold" <arnold@nipper.de> To: Frank Coluccio <fcoluccio@dticonsulting.com>, dave o'leary <doleary@juniper.net>, Mike Leber <mleber@he.net>, Vinay Bannai <bannai@pacbell.net> Sent: May 11, 2001 6:10:40 PM GMT Subject: Re: 10 gige experience http://www.nwfusion.com/research/2001/0507feat3.html might also be interesting ... Arnold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Coluccio" <fcoluccio@dticonsulting.com> To: "dave o'leary" <doleary@juniper.net>; "Mike Leber" <mleber@he.net>; "Vinay Bannai" <bannai@pacbell.net> Cc: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 6:53 AM Subject: Re: 10 gige experience

Off Topic, kinda... check out the caption at the bottom of this page:

http://www.iec.org/tutorials/opt_ethernet/topic05.html

The tutorial isn't bad, either ;)

------Original Message------ From: "dave o'leary" <doleary@juniper.net> To: Mike Leber <mleber@he.net>, Vinay Bannai <bannai@pacbell.net> Sent: May 10, 2001 2:35:24 AM GMT Subject: Re: 10 gige experience

IEEE standards web page at http://grouper.ieee.org is quite helpful for finding the status of the various standards.

In particular, check

http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/3/ae/public/mar01/minutes_0301.pdf

for the minutes of the last IEEE 802.3ae Working Group meeting.

Target for completion is 1Q 2002.

At this point, much of the work has been completed, I believe that all of the outstanding issues were resolved at the meeting and they have gone to working group ballot (don't ask me about all the details of the IEEE decision making process, but they are online).

So at least things are close enough that chip sets are being developed and equipment vendors can get underway with confidence that there won't be too much change, such that standards compliant products should be available about in the same timeframe that the standard is completed.

dave

At 04:14 PM 5/9/01 -0700, Mike Leber wrote:

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On Wed, 9 May 2001, Vinay Bannai wrote:

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Anybody out there have any experience with 10 gigabit ethernet?

I don't think the 10GEA has standarized the draft. It is slated for

mid

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2002.

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But some vendors might have non-standard implementations, but I am not aware of it.

Here is an article that states that IntelliSpace and others are already using 10 Gigabit Ethernet equipment provided by Extreme Networks. It is skimpy on the details.

http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO54671,00.html

I'm trolling to see if anybody in the nanog crowd was willing or able (NDAs and all) to tell us about any 10 gige equipment they might be using.

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