Rodney Joffe wrote:

If you are talking about any of the MAPS black holes (RBL RSS etc.) the process of getting in there is not arbitrary. It actually takes work. So the likelihood of an innocent bystander ending up there is close to zero.

Rodney would know! I remember having to figure out how to email him back in the early spam days when I was at AnaServe. He'd blackholed one of my subnets due to a dedicated client I had back then who was spamming profusely. The only downsides I saw in it is that our network was not notified prior to the blackholing (although many avenues where publicly available) and I think that subnet is STILL (despite many, many requests and 4 years later) listed on black lists even though its neither being black holed or utilized by spammers. However, I wouldn't be surprised if some overzealous netadmin came across one of those lists and threw it in for good measure. Not my problem anymore, but UUNet's next customer who gets that block may be in for a surprise... Karyn -----Original Message----- From: Rodney Joffe [mailto:rjoffe@centergate.com] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 1:53 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks? John Kristoff wrote:

Perhaps I wasn't clear...

The organization in question does nothing wrong... but somehow gets in the blackhole list either by someone spoofing their netblocks, from faked complaints or other means. Thus, causing the said organization to be denied connectivity by some malicious person(s).

If you are talking about any of the MAPS black holes (RBL RSS etc.) the process of getting in there is not arbitrary. It actually takes work. So the likelihood of an innocent bystander ending up there is close to zero. /rlj