All our experiences consulting our clients about how to get their AS and Subnets have been pretty easy and fast.
First get enought IP from 2 Peer to justify at least a /21;
Now that you have 2 Peer, request the AS and a Subnet from ARIN;
Take a day or 2 to prepare the paperwork;
Submit it in the right sequence to ARIN;
And LISTEN to your ARIN rep, they know how the procedure must be done and will help your get it done correctly.
Simple really.
It is indeed simple if you know what needs to be done and what is expected. Even in your case above you mislead people into thinking that one can "request the AS and a Subnet from ARIN". After setting up the various POCs (step #1), step #2 is getting an ORG. Step #3 is requesting the IP space and *not* the ASN. One can't get an ASN from ARIN *until* you have IP space. Once you are authorized by ARIN for the IP space, one has to pay ARIN (step #4). One can pay online via credit card, which for large organizations can sometimes be a problem. In addition, ARIN doesn't accept American Express. Therefore, step #4 might very well involve cutting a check and Fedex'ing it to ARIN and waiting till they process it. Step #5, which can be done in parallel to step #4 is getting the ARIN Registration Service Agreement signed by your legal department. Once again, depending on the size of your organization, this might take anywhere from 1-3 weeks. Step #6 is the ASN request. In order to do that one needs to submit a signed copy of the two contracts one has with their upstreams (to justify the ASN). Once again, these contracts might be buried in legal, need to be found and scanned and sent to ARIN before the ASN request can be processed. Step #7 is paying for the ASN either online or by check (see step #4 above). Those that stated the process to get IP and ASN from ARIN would be a week or so, might be referring to very small organizations (even there I am a bit skeptical). My experience was that IP assignment took about a month and ASN took about a month. Regards, Hank Nussbacher http://www.interall.co.il
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Hank Nussbacher Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 2:56 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ARIN sucks?
All our experiences consulting our clients about how to get their AS and Subnets have been pretty easy and fast.
First get enought IP from 2 Peer to justify at least a /21;
Now that you have 2 Peer, request the AS and a Subnet from ARIN;
Take a day or 2 to prepare the paperwork;
Submit it in the right sequence to ARIN;
And LISTEN to your ARIN rep, they know how the procedure must be done and will help your get it done correctly.
Simple really.
It is indeed simple if you know what needs to be done and what is expected. Even in your case above you mislead people into thinking that one can "request the AS and a Subnet from ARIN". After setting up the various POCs (step #1), step #2 is getting an ORG. Step #3 is requesting the IP space and *not* the ASN. One can't get an ASN from ARIN *until* you have IP space. Once you are authorized by ARIN for the IP space, one has to pay ARIN (step #4). One can pay online via credit card, which for large organizations can sometimes be a problem. In addition, ARIN doesn't accept American Express. Therefore, step #4 might very well involve cutting a check and Fedex'ing it to ARIN and waiting till they process it. Step #5, which can be done in parallel to step #4 is getting the ARIN Registration Service Agreement signed by your legal department. Once again, depending on the size of your organization, this might take anywhere from 1-3 weeks. Step #6 is the ASN request. In order to do that one needs to submit a signed copy of the two contracts one has with their upstreams (to justify the ASN). Once again, these contracts might be buried in legal, need to be found and scanned and sent to ARIN before the ASN request can be processed. Step #7 is paying for the ASN either online or by check (see step #4 above).
Those that stated the process to get IP and ASN from ARIN would be a week or so, might be referring to very small organizations (even there I am a bit skeptical). My experience was that IP assignment took about a month and ASN took about a month.
Regards, Hank Nussbacher http://www.interall.co.il
Which just goes to show you that everyone's experience is different. I've gotten various IP space as well as ASN's over the past couple of years and none has taken any more than a week. Also, you're incorrect on the process. You can definitely get an ASN without IP space. -Dave
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006, David Temkin wrote:
Also, you're incorrect on the process. You can definitely get an ASN without IP space.
I find that fascinating. The ARIN template: http://www.arin.net/registration/templates/asn-request.txt states: 12. Indicate all IP address blocks currently in use in your network. You fill in "none" and ARIN has given you an ASN? Under what conditions? -Hank Nussbacher http://www.interall.co.il
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
Also, you're incorrect on the process. You can definitely get an ASN without IP space.
I find that fascinating. The ARIN template: http://www.arin.net/registration/templates/asn-request.txt states: 12. Indicate all IP address blocks currently in use in your network. You fill in "none" and ARIN has given you an ASN? Under what conditions?
If you have no IP space in use, what do you plan to do with an ASN? It is pretty common to get an ASN from ARIN while using PA IP space, never getting (or requesting) space from ARIN or other RIRs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
On Sep 17, 2006, at 12:22 PM, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
Also, you're incorrect on the process. You can definitely get an ASN without IP space.
I find that fascinating. The ARIN template: http://www.arin.net/registration/templates/asn-request.txt states: 12. Indicate all IP address blocks currently in use in your network. You fill in "none" and ARIN has given you an ASN? Under what conditions?
If you have no IP space in use, what do you plan to do with an ASN? It is pretty common to get an ASN from ARIN while using PA IP space, never getting (or requesting) space from ARIN or other RIRs.
Actually, in more than one case, I have been able to fill in "none" on an initial assignment template and still get the ASN. The ASN is a prerequisite to qualifying under the multihoming end-user policy, so, yes, if you are starting from zero and applying as an initial end-user, you can apply for an ASN with "none" as long as you can demonstrate that you have contracts for service with at least two ISPs. You can then use that ASN to apply for IP space under the multi-homed end-user policy. Of course, if you can show existing utilization of PA space, that becomes much easier, because it is easier for ARIN to verify your utilization and requirements, but, with sufficient appropriate documentation, you can apply without existing IP space and get an ASN and an assignment. Owen
-----Original Message----- From: Hank Nussbacher [mailto:hank@efes.iucc.ac.il] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 3:13 PM To: David Temkin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: ARIN sucks?
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006, David Temkin wrote:
Also, you're incorrect on the process. You can definitely get an ASN without IP space.
I find that fascinating. The ARIN template: http://www.arin.net/registration/templates/asn-request.txt states: 12. Indicate all IP address blocks currently in use in your network. You fill in "none" and ARIN has given you an ASN? Under what conditions?
-Hank Nussbacher http://www.interall.co.il
My more specific point was that you do not need IP space from ARIN specifically to get an ASN. Nowhere in the instructions does it say that you must have PI space to get an ASN. Also, as someone else stated, it may very well be possible to get an ASN when stating "none".
In addition, ARIN doesn't accept American Express.
Also, they do accept AMEX. I just paid them about 3 weeks ago using it. See: http://www.arin.net/billing/index.html " Immediate online payment by credit card (American Express, Discover, MasterCard, and Visa) "
Hank Nussbacher wrote:
It is indeed simple if you know what needs to be done and what is expected. Even in your case above you mislead people into thinking that one can "request the AS and a Subnet from ARIN". After setting up the various POCs (step #1), step #2 is getting an ORG. Step #3 is requesting the IP space and *not* the ASN. One can't get an ASN from ARIN *until* you have IP space.
Hank, The real answer is "it depends". From my correspondence with ARIN on behalf of one of my customers just a few months ago: "Will you be requesting an AS number from ARIN? Under the intent to multi-home policy, we've been asking customers to first submit a request for an AS number." For this particular (new) customer, the entire process was 3 weeks with majority of the delay getting payment remitted to get the allocation and then the ASN. My experience with ARIN has always been positive (thank you). -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
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