NSA and the exchanges
Anyone knows if there's a way to find out how involved NSA monitors 151 front street at Toronto? NSA allegedly monitors data centres in the US, but does it have the same influence at a building sitting in its neighbor's soil? There's something on the web like www.ixmaps.ca that tries to piece it together. but not sure how helpful the information on there really is? feedback welcome.
If your talking "the NSA" I doubt anyone would tell you. That being said: it would mean the US gov't breaking Canadian law I suspect. Now in Canada it is quite possible that the Canadian Fed gov't monitors traffic but I would also say no one would tell you because telling you would also be in violation in wiretap laws. Best advice, assume they do and hope they don't. :) -jim On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:25 PM, andy lam <anwalam@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone knows if there's a way to find out how involved NSA monitors 151 front street at Toronto? NSA allegedly monitors data centres in the US, but does it have the same influence at a building sitting in its neighbor's soil?
There's something on the web like www.ixmaps.ca that tries to piece it together. but not sure how helpful the information on there really is?
feedback welcome.
I'd assume the NSA and CSIS would be talking as needed. Whether CSIS is actually monitoring in there is another question. I'd assume yes, but have never heard anything to confirm or deny. -----Original Message----- From: jim deleskie [mailto:deleskie@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:37 PM To: andy lam Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: NSA and the exchanges If your talking "the NSA" I doubt anyone would tell you. That being said: it would mean the US gov't breaking Canadian law I suspect. Now in Canada it is quite possible that the Canadian Fed gov't monitors traffic but I would also say no one would tell you because telling you would also be in violation in wiretap laws. Best advice, assume they do and hope they don't. :) -jim On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:25 PM, andy lam <anwalam@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone knows if there's a way to find out how involved NSA monitors 151 front street at Toronto? NSA allegedly monitors data centres in the US, but does it have the same influence at a building sitting in its neighbor's soil?
There's something on the web like www.ixmaps.ca that tries to piece it together. but not sure how helpful the information on there really is?
feedback welcome.
On 10/31/2012 2:53 PM, Erik Soosalu wrote:
I'd assume the NSA and CSIS would be talking as needed.
Communications Security Establishment to NSA, but point taken.
Whether CSIS is actually monitoring in there is another question. I'd assume yes, but have never heard anything to confirm or deny.
-----Original Message----- From: jim deleskie [mailto:deleskie@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:37 PM To: andy lam Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: NSA and the exchanges
If your talking "the NSA" I doubt anyone would tell you. That being said: it would mean the US gov't breaking Canadian law I suspect. Now in Canada it is quite possible that the Canadian Fed gov't monitors traffic but I would also say no one would tell you because telling you would also be in violation in wiretap laws.
Best advice, assume they do and hope they don't. :)
-jim
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:25 PM, andy lam <anwalam@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone knows if there's a way to find out how involved NSA monitors 151 front street at Toronto? NSA allegedly monitors data centres in the US, but does it have the same influence at a building sitting in its neighbor's soil? There's something on the web like www.ixmaps.ca that tries to piece it together. but not sure how helpful the information on there really is?
feedback welcome.
That would be the CSE, not CSIS ... --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org
-----Original Message----- From: Erik Soosalu [mailto:erik.soosalu@calyxinc.com] Sent: Wednesday, 31 October, 2012 12:53 To: jim deleskie; andy lam Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: NSA and the exchanges
I'd assume the NSA and CSIS would be talking as needed.
Whether CSIS is actually monitoring in there is another question. I'd assume yes, but have never heard anything to confirm or deny.
-----Original Message----- From: jim deleskie [mailto:deleskie@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:37 PM To: andy lam Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: NSA and the exchanges
If your talking "the NSA" I doubt anyone would tell you. That being said: it would mean the US gov't breaking Canadian law I suspect. Now in Canada it is quite possible that the Canadian Fed gov't monitors traffic but I would also say no one would tell you because telling you would also be in violation in wiretap laws.
Best advice, assume they do and hope they don't. :)
-jim
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:25 PM, andy lam <anwalam@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone knows if there's a way to find out how involved NSA monitors 151 front street at Toronto? NSA allegedly monitors data centres in the US, but does it have the same influence at a building sitting in its neighbor's soil?
There's something on the web like www.ixmaps.ca that tries to piece it together. but not sure how helpful the information on there really is?
feedback welcome.
Allegedly? No, definately. https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying https://www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/presskit/ATT_onepager.pdf -j On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:25 AM, andy lam <anwalam@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone knows if there's a way to find out how involved NSA monitors 151 front street at Toronto? NSA allegedly monitors data centres in the US, but does it have the same influence at a building sitting in its neighbor's soil?
There's something on the web like www.ixmaps.ca that tries to piece it together. but not sure how helpful the information on there really is?
feedback welcome.
And don't forget about the NSA's "Operation Backhoe". What more convenient way of installing a tap than cutting the fibre, then installing a passive tap while repairs are in progress ... --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org
-----Original Message----- From: John Adams [mailto:jna@retina.net] Sent: Wednesday, 31 October, 2012 12:38 To: andy lam Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: NSA and the exchanges
Allegedly? No, definately.
https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying
https://www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/presskit/ATT_onepager.pdf
-j
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:25 AM, andy lam <anwalam@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone knows if there's a way to find out how involved NSA monitors 151 front street at Toronto? NSA allegedly monitors data centres in the US, but does it have the same influence at a building sitting in its neighbor's soil?
There's something on the web like www.ixmaps.ca that tries to piece it together. but not sure how helpful the information on there really is?
feedback welcome.
On 10/31/12 11:25 AM, andy lam wrote:
Anyone knows if there's a way to find out how involved NSA monitors 151 front street at Toronto? NSA allegedly monitors data centres in the US, but does it have the same influence at a building sitting in its neighbor's soil?
There's something on the web like www.ixmaps.ca that tries to piece it together. but not sure how helpful the information on there really is?
feedback welcome.
No Such Agency. ~Seth
Andy, Let me recommend the IXmaps project. It is documenting the very question you are asking :) http://www.ixmaps.ca IXmaps is an interactive tool that enables internet users and researchers to study the route(s) that data packets take across North America, with 'interesting' sites highlighted along the way. It is currently under development. It has been supported by a research grant from the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada's Image, Text, Sound and Technology program. IXmaps is affiliated with the New Transparency Project and the Information Policy Research Program at theFaculty of Information, University of Toronto. regards Robert -- Robert Guerra Senior Advisor, Citizen Lab Munk School of Global Affairs, University of Toronto Phone: +1 416-893-0377 Cell: +1 202 905 2081 Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom Email: robert@citizenlab.org Web: http://citizenlab.org On 2012-10-31, at 2:25 PM, andy lam wrote:
Anyone knows if there's a way to find out how involved NSA monitors 151 front street at Toronto? NSA allegedly monitors data centres in the US, but does it have the same influence at a building sitting in its neighbor's soil?
There's something on the web like www.ixmaps.ca that tries to piece it together. but not sure how helpful the information on there really is?
feedback welcome.
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