i backup using arq on macos catalina. on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb max. google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for 2tb). backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo). anyone else done a similar analysis? randy
https://wasabi.com/cloud-storage-pricing/#three-info On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 4:09 PM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
i backup using arq on macos catalina. on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb max. google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for 2tb). backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo). anyone else done a similar analysis?
randy
I’ve used Backblaze Backup (not b2 - https://www.backblaze.com/backup-pricing.html <https://www.backblaze.com/backup-pricing.html>) for years across multiple Macs and multiple restores. It’s always worked flawlessly for me. I’ve eyed Wasabi recently that David mentioned, but haven’t tested in out yet.
On Jul 26, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
i backup using arq on macos catalina. on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb max. google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for 2tb). backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo). anyone else done a similar analysis?
randy
On 7/26/20 1:09 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
i backup using arq on macos catalina. on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb max. google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for 2tb). backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo). anyone else done a similar analysis?
AWS S3 infrequent access is $40/month. If it's really archival backup AWS has glacier which is less than $20/month, but it's name gives you an idea of what it is. Mike
On 7/26/20 1:44 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
Michael Thomas wrote on 26/07/2020 21:39:
AWS S3 infrequent access is $40/month. If it's really archival backup AWS has glacier which is less than $20/month, but it's name gives you an idea of what it is.
how much does a full restore cost with these options?
Dunno, you can use their calculator to model options though. https://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html Mike
Did I miss something? Is this list now the newbie product questions list? -----Original Message----- From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tony=wicks.co.nz@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, 27 July 2020 8:40 am To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: cloud backup
Questions are asked here because of the variety of expertise that there is here. I personally have gained a lot from the side lines seeing questions and responses to items not directly related to bytes traveling over a wire. On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 4:50 PM Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz> wrote:
Did I miss something? Is this list now the newbie product questions list?
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tony=wicks.co.nz@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, 27 July 2020 8:40 am To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: cloud backup
On 7/26/20 1:45 PM, Tony Wicks wrote:
Did I miss something? Is this list now the newbie product questions list?
That awkward moment when someone apparently thinks that the author of: A Basic FidoNet(r) Technical Standard Revision 16 by Randy Bush, Pacific Systems Group September 30, 1995 is... ...what was the word? A "newbie"? hmm... - John -- John Sage
"newbie product" NEQ "newbie user" -----Original Message----- From: John Sage <jsage@finchhaven.com> Sent: Monday, 27 July 2020 9:45 am To: Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz>; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: cloud backup A "newbie"?
well, i was once given a tee shirt which said "i may have helped build the information superhighway, but i can not drive a car" :) after work, a time which rarely occurs, we're all end users. and if you're not concerned about backup, ... randy
On 7/26/20 3:30 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
well, i was once given a tee shirt which said
"i may have helped build the information superhighway, but i can not drive a car" :)
When I was working on carrier VoIP in the early days at Cisco, i was like "wait, why am i doing this? i don't even like phones." Mike
I’m in the same boat, and sadly I still run VoIP for my house because why not… I hate the canary in networking with a passion, but still I find it’s internal problems 99% of the time and I still have to deal with it. Sincerely, Eric Tykwinski TrueNet, Inc. P: 610-429-8300
On Jul 26, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
On 7/26/20 3:30 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
well, i was once given a tee shirt which said
"i may have helped build the information superhighway, but i can not drive a car" :)
When I was working on carrier VoIP in the early days at Cisco, i was like "wait, why am i doing this? i don't even like phones."
Mike
On 26/Jul/20 23:44, John Sage wrote:
That awkward moment when someone apparently thinks that the author of:
A Basic FidoNet(r) Technical Standard Revision 16 by Randy Bush, Pacific Systems Group September 30, 1995
is...
...what was the word?
A "newbie"?
hmm...
The Internet is always the Internet. What others do with it for it to add value to lives is a different thing. Almost everyone can offer something as simple as a web-based e-mail service. There aren't many companies that can offer a decent cloud backup solution, for the price. Much in the same way we discuss the limited number of VoD service providers on this list, for one reason or another. Or equipment vendors. Or CDN providers. Or... The Internet is pointless if we don't derive some utility from it. That that utility is given a product name should not be seen as evil, until that company comes on here to market it themselves, of course. Mark.
On 2020-07-26 16:39, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 7/26/20 1:09 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
i backup using arq on macos catalina. on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb max. google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for 2tb). backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo). anyone else done a similar analysis?
AWS S3 infrequent access is $40/month. If it's really archival backup AWS has glacier which is less than $20/month, but it's name gives you an idea of what it is.
Mike
The other issue with Glacier is that you have to keep old versions around for (IIRC) 6 months to avoid being charged extra, which can really add up for weekly backups or what-have-you. I'm looking at a switch from AWS to B2 myself. I use Backblaze's desktop product on a Windows machine and love it. Another possibility for sync similar to Google Drive is Jottacloud. Haven't tried it myself, but it looks very competitive for personal stuff. https://www.jottacloud.com/en/ Rob -- Rob Szarka http://szarka.org/
On 7/26/20 1:52 PM, Rob Szarka wrote:
On 2020-07-26 16:39, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 7/26/20 1:09 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
i backup using arq on macos catalina. on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb max. google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for 2tb). backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo). anyone else done a similar analysis?
AWS S3 infrequent access is $40/month. If it's really archival backup AWS has glacier which is less than $20/month, but it's name gives you an idea of what it is.
Mike
The other issue with Glacier is that you have to keep old versions around for (IIRC) 6 months to avoid being charged extra, which can really add up for weekly backups or what-have-you.
I'm looking at a switch from AWS to B2 myself. I use Backblaze's desktop product on a Windows machine and love it.
Another possibility for sync similar to Google Drive is Jottacloud. Haven't tried it myself, but it looks very competitive for personal stuff. https://www.jottacloud.com/en/
Yeah, with AWS you have to be extremely careful because they meter *everything*. They are the new phone company. Mike
I recently read about a way to get unlimited Google storage for $12 per month. Yes, really unlimited. I haven’t tried it, but my understanding is that it is based on 5 user or less GSuite account and they don’t enforce storage limits. If you have .edu email you may be able to get 100% free. Sorry, I can’t find the link now but it was discussed on reddit somewhere. Brandon Svec
On Jul 26, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
i backup using arq on macos catalina. on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb max. google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for 2tb). backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo). anyone else done a similar analysis?
randy
Randy Bush Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 9:10 PM
i backup using arq on macos catalina. on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb max. google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for 2tb). backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo). anyone else done a similar analysis?
Just out of curiosity, do you folks encrypt the data prior to upload to the cloud (especially when uploading to folks like aws/google/ms/(facebook))? Was wondering if these folks provide encryption of stored data - quick google search suggests that google does not. adam
On 27/Jul/20 13:49, adamv0025@netconsultings.com wrote:
Just out of curiosity, do you folks encrypt the data prior to upload to the cloud (especially when uploading to folks like aws/google/ms/(facebook))? Was wondering if these folks provide encryption of stored data - quick google search suggests that google does not.
Personally, this is why I don't like to put my data in the cloud. Not that they don't encrypt (or do)... it's just too much black art. I'll still invest in hard drives and lock safes. The most I've done with a cloud is iCloud - to sync. the phone book and calendar between devices :-). Got no issue with losing that... YMMV. Mark.
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