Are others being spammed on their NIC contact addresses by domainspace.com trying to sell .cc domains? Received: from domainspace.com ([209.203.244.14]) by yoda.fdt.net with ESMTP id UAA01623 for <jlewis@FDT.NET>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:19:03 -0400 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Lewis <jlewis@fdt.net> | Spammers will be winnuked or Network Administrator | drawn and quartered...whichever Florida Digital Turnpike | is more convenient. ______http://inorganic5.fdt.net/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key____
On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Jon Lewis wrote:
Are others being spammed on their NIC contact addresses by domainspace.com trying to sell .cc domains?
Yes.
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209.203.244.0/24 is a lightrealm.net block. Guess we wait and see if lightrealm gets white hat or black hat. -Dan
On Fri, Sep 25, 1998 at 08:42:05PM -0400, Jon Lewis put this into my mailbox:
Are others being spammed on their NIC contact addresses by domainspace.com trying to sell .cc domains?
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Yes; not recently, but I have been in the past. It chafes me, really; there's a particular domain I'd like in that TLD, but I refuse to do business with anyone who thinks spamming is OK. -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "It brought me a Mr. Potato Head, Founder, the DALnet IRC Network Scully. It knew that I wanted a Mr. Potato Head!" e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/
On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Dalvenjah FoxFire wrote:
Yes; not recently, but I have been in the past. It chafes me, really; there's a particular domain I'd like in that TLD, but I refuse to do business with anyone who thinks spamming is OK.
Then don't do business with domainspace, do business directly with the folks who run the .CC domain at http://www.nic.cc. This is the second instance recently of some dealer spamming to sell another company's product without the knowledge of the other company. In cases like this it is best to not shoot the company whose product was being advertised but inform them politely that their dealer is a spammer. Then they can fix the problem. Consider this to be the same as informing the unlucky ISP that one of their customer's is a spammer. We don't shoot the ISP unless they show repeatedly that they don't care. -- Michael Dillon - E-mail: michael@memra.com Check the website for my Internet World articles - http://www.memra.com
On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Michael Dillon wrote:
Yes; not recently, but I have been in the past. It chafes me, really; there's a particular domain I'd like in that TLD, but I refuse to do business with anyone who thinks spamming is OK.
Then don't do business with domainspace, do business directly with the folks who run the .CC domain at http://www.nic.cc.
So domainspace.com is just running a registration service and rebilling for the .CC registry? That's even sleazier than I'd imagined. Maybe I should register webedomains.com and sell .com .net and .org (and maybe .cc and .to) domains for $125/year to the clueless. They pay me, I register and pay the appropriate registry. Sounds like a plan. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Lewis <jlewis@fdt.net> | Spammers will be winnuked or Network Administrator | drawn and quartered...whichever Florida Digital Turnpike | is more convenient. ______http://inorganic5.fdt.net/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key____
On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Jon Lewis wrote:
So domainspace.com is just running a registration service and rebilling for the .CC registry? That's even sleazier than I'd imagined. Maybe I should register webedomains.com and sell .com .net and .org (and maybe .cc and .to) domains for $125/year to the clueless. They pay me, I register and pay the appropriate registry. Sounds like a plan.
Registrant: Network Solutions, Inc. (WORLDNIC4-DOM) 505 Huntmar Park Drive Herndon, VA 20170 US Domain Name: WORLDNIC.COM Eh? Sam
On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Sam Hayes Merritt, III wrote:
Registrant: Network Solutions, Inc. (WORLDNIC4-DOM) 505 Huntmar Park Drive Herndon, VA 20170 US Domain Name: WORLDNIC.COM
That's different. That's Network Solutions scamming the clueless. Domainspace (according to Michael) has no connection with the .cc registry. They're just middlemen. Network Solutions might want you to believe the same thing of worldnic.com, but I think most people here know better. Or to sound like Mr. Flemming....many of the people on nanog know more than most. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Lewis <jlewis@fdt.net> | Spammers will be winnuked or Network Administrator | drawn and quartered...whichever Florida Digital Turnpike | is more convenient. ______http://inorganic5.fdt.net/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key____
On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Sam Hayes Merritt, III wrote:
Registrant: Network Solutions, Inc. (WORLDNIC4-DOM) 505 Huntmar Park Drive Herndon, VA 20170 US Domain Name: WORLDNIC.COM
That's different. That's Network Solutions scamming the clueless.
Wow, I guess we must be scam artists too, based on your definition. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell (800) 299-1288 v CTO (925) 377-1212 v NameSecure (925) 377-1414 f Coming to the ISPF? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs http://www.ispf.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
That's different. That's Network Solutions scamming the clueless.
Wow, I guess we must be scam artists too, based on your definition.
Are you abusing a database (and monopoly) you were handed and given the task of maintaining for profit? This may be a stretch, but isn't there a law prohibiting taking advantage of a monopoly (registration services for .com, .net, .org, .edu) to help in the entry into a new market (forcing domain changes to domains registered through worldnic to be changed via worldnic, when this is not required for any other middleman/domain registration/hosting services)? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Lewis <jlewis@fdt.net> | Spammers will be winnuked or Network Administrator | drawn and quartered...whichever Florida Digital Turnpike | is more convenient. ______http://inorganic5.fdt.net/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key____
This may be a stretch, but isn't there a law prohibiting taking advantage of a monopoly (registration services for .com, .net, .org, .edu) to help in the entry into a new market (forcing domain changes to domains registered through worldnic to be changed via worldnic, when this is not required for any other middleman/domain registration/hosting services)?
In the United States, it's called "restraint of trade." ag
On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Aaron Goldblatt wrote:
This may be a stretch, but isn't there a law prohibiting taking advantage of a monopoly (registration services for .com, .net, .org, .edu) to help in the entry into a new market (forcing domain changes to domains registered through worldnic to be changed via worldnic, when this is not required for any other middleman/domain registration/hosting services)?
In the United States, it's called "restraint of trade."
Gee...I thought it was anti-trust. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Lewis <jlewis@fdt.net> | Spammers will be winnuked or Network Administrator | drawn and quartered...whichever Florida Digital Turnpike | is more convenient. ______http://inorganic5.fdt.net/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key____
On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Nanog Maillist wrote:
Wow, I guess we must be scam artists too, based on your definition.
Yep
Cool. Never been called a scam artist before. Boy, we sure are scamming a lot of folks. So well in fact that neither they or we realized that they were being scammed, or that we were scamming them. <Crawling back under my rock> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell (800) 299-1288 v CTO (925) 377-1212 v NameSecure (925) 377-1414 f Coming to the ISPF? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs http://www.ispf.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Oooppps... Sorry had your company mixed up with another one that speculates domains. I'll withdraw my foot from my mouth. On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Nanog Maillist wrote:
Wow, I guess we must be scam artists too, based on your definition.
Yep
Cool. Never been called a scam artist before. Boy, we sure are scamming a lot of folks. So well in fact that neither they or we realized that they were being scammed, or that we were scamming them.
<Crawling back under my rock>
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell (800) 299-1288 v CTO (925) 377-1212 v NameSecure (925) 377-1414 f Coming to the ISPF? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs http://www.ispf.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
On Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 05:41:41PM -0400, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Sam Hayes Merritt, III wrote:
Registrant: Network Solutions, Inc. (WORLDNIC4-DOM) 505 Huntmar Park Drive Herndon, VA 20170 US Domain Name: WORLDNIC.COM
That's different. That's Network Solutions scamming the clueless. Domainspace (according to Michael) has no connection with the .cc registry. They're just middlemen. Network Solutions might want you to believe the same thing of worldnic.com, but I think most people here know better. Or to sound like Mr. Flemming....many of the people on nanog know more than most.
No, Jon... don't you remember from earlier this year? There's actually a semi-reasonable explanation for that one. Trademark problem on "InterNIC", as I recall. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff "The net is safer in bad weather: you The Suncoast Freenet can't run a backhoe Tampa Bay, Florida in a hurricane." (after Sean Donelan) +1 813 790 7592 Managing Editor, Top Of The Key sports e-zine ------------ http://www.totk.com
[ On Sat, September 26, 1998 at 16:03:17 (-0500), Sam Hayes Merritt, III wrote: ]
Subject: Re: .cc domain spam
On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Jon Lewis wrote:
So domainspace.com is just running a registration service and rebilling for the .CC registry? That's even sleazier than I'd imagined. Maybe I should register webedomains.com and sell .com .net and .org (and maybe .cc and .to) domains for $125/year to the clueless. They pay me, I register and pay the appropriate registry. Sounds like a plan.
Registrant: Network Solutions, Inc. (WORLDNIC4-DOM) 505 Huntmar Park Drive Herndon, VA 20170 US Domain Name: WORLDNIC.COM
Eh?
huh? 19:43 [146] $ whois cc24-dom Registrant: Cocos (Keeling) Islands top-level domain (CC24-DOM) Island Internet Services Box 11 Cocos (Keeling) Islands, 6799 CC Domain Name: CC Administrative Contact: Miller, Garth (GM5957) garth@NIC.CC +61 2 947 50013 (FAX) +61 2 947 50014 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Cartmell, Brian (BC6684) brc@NIC.CC +1 206 329 7900 (FAX) +1 206 329 7107 Record last updated on 22-Jun-98. Record created on 13-Oct-97. Database last updated on 26-Sep-98 04:18:38 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.GLOBALDNS.COM 206.253.214.11 NS2.GLOBALDNS.COM 206.253.214.12 double "eh?" -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP <gwoods@acm.org> <robohack!woods> Planix, Inc. <woods@planix.com>; Secrets of the Weird <woods@weird.com>
What about www.internic.com? It's not a new idea. -Deepak. On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Michael Dillon wrote:
Yes; not recently, but I have been in the past. It chafes me, really; there's a particular domain I'd like in that TLD, but I refuse to do business with anyone who thinks spamming is OK.
Then don't do business with domainspace, do business directly with the folks who run the .CC domain at http://www.nic.cc.
So domainspace.com is just running a registration service and rebilling for the .CC registry? That's even sleazier than I'd imagined. Maybe I should register webedomains.com and sell .com .net and .org (and maybe .cc and .to) domains for $125/year to the clueless. They pay me, I register and pay the appropriate registry. Sounds like a plan.
------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Lewis <jlewis@fdt.net> | Spammers will be winnuked or Network Administrator | drawn and quartered...whichever Florida Digital Turnpike | is more convenient. ______http://inorganic5.fdt.net/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key____
Yes, you are certainly not alone. My delete button is getting worn out. :) In fact, I get spammed every time I register a new domain by several different entities now. Bill On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Jon Lewis wrote:
Are others being spammed on their NIC contact addresses by domainspace.com trying to sell .cc domains?
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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Elvis wrote:
Yes, you are certainly not alone. My delete button is getting worn out. :) In fact, I get spammed every time I register a new domain by several different entities now.
This brings up an interesting question. How are the domainspace.com creeps getting lists of newly registered domains? Do they have special access at NetSol? Are they just grabbing the .com and .net zones periodically, running a diff, and spamming the contacts for new domains? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Lewis <jlewis@fdt.net> | Spammers will be winnuked or Network Administrator | drawn and quartered...whichever Florida Digital Turnpike | is more convenient. ______http://inorganic5.fdt.net/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key____
Are others being spammed on their NIC contact addresses by domainspace.com trying to sell .cc domains?
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Yes, and the CC registry (which is in Seattle, not the Cocos Islands) is not pleased. Polite complaints to brc@nic.cc. -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail
At 20:42 25/09/98 -0400, Jon Lewis wrote:
Are others being spammed on their NIC contact addresses by domainspace.com trying to sell .cc domains?
Just got a couple to two fairly newly registered domains and about 12 identical spams (amusingly saying how all their messages are highly targeted): Received: from freemail.org.mk [194.149.152.11] by smarties with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0zMtHq-0004lF-00; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:17:19 +0000 Received: from your email address [169.132.73.52] by freemail.org.mk (SMTPD32-4.04) id AACD1E30176; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:15:09 +03d00 From: export567@conk.com To: sinch.com@admin.instant-web.co.uk Subject: from Helen Astor/ forward to pres. please Date: Sat, 26 Sep 98 14:15:16 +03d00
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