RE: Provider credibility - does it matter? was Re: Inter-provider relations
On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 18:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Gordon Cook wrote:
Cook: six global providers: Hmmm. Might they be referring to Sprint, AGIS UUNET, PSI, MCI, and ANS? The so called gang or club of six that a year ago were the exclusive direct peers at all the major exchanges? If they are, then, by process of elimnation, BBN is not a global provider -which I think is news to BBN, nor is AT&T, nor is Advantis, nor is Compuserve, nor are a lot of other major players with more than a fresh12.5 million behind them. Gee. I wonder if BBN realizes that AGIS has relegated it to second rank status?
Or perhaps they are referring to those global providers who are beginning to move most of their traffic through private inter connects - and in so doing are becoming a new internet apex? In this case they are not even one of the five let alone six. Here the five are MCI, Sprint, BBN, UUNET and ANS. I have been talking to a lot of sources, none of which is aware of AGIS having any private Interconnects with these five.
When talking of global Internet reach, the largest is IBM/Advantis IGN. They have 830 POPs in over 50 countries and peerings at about 15 major interconnect points. For details see: http://www.ibm.com/globalnetwork/inetbbon.htm Probably the best kept secret in the Internet world. Hank Nussbacher IBM Israel
On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
http://www.ibm.com/globalnetwork/inetbbon.htm
Probably the best kept secret in the Internet world.
I just looked at IBMs page and see it as a step foward in peering. They seem to understand that local traffic needs to stay local. Quoting their page, "Within the coming months, we will develop peering with providers in additional countries in order to minimize traffic backhaul between the United States and those countries -- as well as among the countries themselves." Now if others would join in, by keep local traffic local, pick up their network traffic at more points, and be at more peering points, I believe that the network will become better in time. I think that it is great that Netrail is opening up a new nap in Atlanta. There should be a nap in every major city in the US and world wide... Back to work now. Christian
This is very food example for this subject. What's is the branch of this ING network appear in Moscow (may be they have appeared already - it's not important there). The problem is just the same - if we'll establish peering with this (IGN Russia, having now about 40 customers) this mean for us to provide 2Mbit back-bone over Moscow, SPB and some other places for their customers. I prefere if this IGN Russia bue IP from us (and pay some money - less than for International IP but more than 0.0$). Just as USA's problems but in another scale (2Mbit instead of 150Mbit, 64K instead of 2Mbit, 40 customers instead of 1,000... And this rabbit have a chance to became the wolf, throught (I hope) this oily rabbit can't compete to fast hares in the wild forests).
On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
http://www.ibm.com/globalnetwork/inetbbon.htm
Probably the best kept secret in the Internet world.
I just looked at IBMs page and see it as a step foward in peering. They seem to understand that local traffic needs to stay local. Quoting their page,
"Within the coming months, we will develop peering with providers in additional countries in order to minimize traffic backhaul between the United States and those countries -- as well as among the countries themselves."
Now if others would join in, by keep local traffic local, pick up their network traffic at more points, and be at more peering points, I believe that the network will become better in time. If we bue IP connection in USA, let's they bue IP connection in Russia too -:). /I am writing for me, not exactly for my company/. And I think our policy is soft in comparation to some other ISP there (in Russia) who don't confess Sprint Russia as ISP even (and they are right!).
I think that it is great that Netrail is opening up a new nap in Atlanta. There should be a nap in every major city in the US and world wide...
Back to work now.
Christian
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