Beta Starlink with a slight tree obstruction vs degraded DOCSIS3 last mile
I thought I would post an interesting comparison between a degraded DOCSIS3 link, of a carrier that shall remain nameless to avoid embarrassing anybody, and a starlink CPE with a slight 1/12th tree obstruction in a portion of its view. First two screenshots are the docsis3, to its gateway and to a very reliable hosted asterisk system in Seattle. Second two screenshots are starlink, also to its gateway and to the same destination. https://imgur.com/a/OQ5wyDr
I don't know how you can be embarrassed when you have a pretty solid 30ms ping constantly, and Starlink has jitter all over the place and spikes as high as 280ms. I'll take the DOCSIS3 system.... On 6/25/21 8:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I thought I would post an interesting comparison between a degraded DOCSIS3 link, of a carrier that shall remain nameless to avoid embarrassing anybody, and a starlink CPE with a slight 1/12th tree obstruction in a portion of its view.
First two screenshots are the docsis3, to its gateway and to a very reliable hosted asterisk system in Seattle.
Second two screenshots are starlink, also to its gateway and to the same destination.
What happened on June 20/21? Looks like someone broke something on your cable link or perhaps an ICMP rate limiting was introduced. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 10:45 AM Matt Hoppes < mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
I don't know how you can be embarrassed when you have a pretty solid 30ms ping constantly, and Starlink has jitter all over the place and spikes as high as 280ms.
I'll take the DOCSIS3 system....
On 6/25/21 8:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I thought I would post an interesting comparison between a degraded DOCSIS3 link, of a carrier that shall remain nameless to avoid embarrassing anybody, and a starlink CPE with a slight 1/12th tree obstruction in a portion of its view.
First two screenshots are the docsis3, to its gateway and to a very reliable hosted asterisk system in Seattle.
Second two screenshots are starlink, also to its gateway and to the same destination.
The local cable last mile operator broke something locally, or something degraded (water ingress, bad connectors, who knows) and can't get their act together sufficiently to dispatch a field tech and fix it. On Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 11:03 AM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
What happened on June 20/21? Looks like someone broke something on your cable link or perhaps an ICMP rate limiting was introduced.
Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 10:45 AM Matt Hoppes < mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
I don't know how you can be embarrassed when you have a pretty solid 30ms ping constantly, and Starlink has jitter all over the place and spikes as high as 280ms.
I'll take the DOCSIS3 system....
On 6/25/21 8:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I thought I would post an interesting comparison between a degraded DOCSIS3 link, of a carrier that shall remain nameless to avoid embarrassing anybody, and a starlink CPE with a slight 1/12th tree obstruction in a portion of its view.
First two screenshots are the docsis3, to its gateway and to a very reliable hosted asterisk system in Seattle.
Second two screenshots are starlink, also to its gateway and to the same destination.
Have you thought about doing a TCP test? Maybe an HTTP check to a website? That would be better than ICMP, I think, since it would be more user like. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:02 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com> wrote:
The local cable last mile operator broke something locally, or something degraded (water ingress, bad connectors, who knows) and can't get their act together sufficiently to dispatch a field tech and fix it.
On Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 11:03 AM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
What happened on June 20/21? Looks like someone broke something on your cable link or perhaps an ICMP rate limiting was introduced.
Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 10:45 AM Matt Hoppes < mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
I don't know how you can be embarrassed when you have a pretty solid 30ms ping constantly, and Starlink has jitter all over the place and spikes as high as 280ms.
I'll take the DOCSIS3 system....
On 6/25/21 8:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I thought I would post an interesting comparison between a degraded DOCSIS3 link, of a carrier that shall remain nameless to avoid embarrassing anybody, and a starlink CPE with a slight 1/12th tree obstruction in a portion of its view.
First two screenshots are the docsis3, to its gateway and to a very reliable hosted asterisk system in Seattle.
Second two screenshots are starlink, also to its gateway and to the same destination.
Although I did not provide screenshots to the 40 other widely varied destinations that smokeping system is set up to poll, all of them show similar 2-3% loss results as to the voip.ms server in Seattle. Additionally TCP is also dropping packets on the floor. And of course anything UDP is affected to the point that it's noticeable in voice/video. This is not a case of the cable ISP introducing some ICMP rate limiting packet eater but a general degradation for everything. On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:58 AM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
Have you thought about doing a TCP test? Maybe an HTTP check to a website? That would be better than ICMP, I think, since it would be more user like.
Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:02 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com> wrote:
The local cable last mile operator broke something locally, or something degraded (water ingress, bad connectors, who knows) and can't get their act together sufficiently to dispatch a field tech and fix it.
On Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 11:03 AM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
What happened on June 20/21? Looks like someone broke something on your cable link or perhaps an ICMP rate limiting was introduced.
Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 10:45 AM Matt Hoppes < mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
I don't know how you can be embarrassed when you have a pretty solid 30ms ping constantly, and Starlink has jitter all over the place and spikes as high as 280ms.
I'll take the DOCSIS3 system....
On 6/25/21 8:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I thought I would post an interesting comparison between a degraded DOCSIS3 link, of a carrier that shall remain nameless to avoid embarrassing anybody, and a starlink CPE with a slight 1/12th tree obstruction in a portion of its view.
First two screenshots are the docsis3, to its gateway and to a very reliable hosted asterisk system in Seattle.
Second two screenshots are starlink, also to its gateway and to the same destination.
I'd much rather have 0.11 to 0.25% average packet loss over a 3 to 24 hour period than 2-3%. The starlink experience is overall superior at present from a subjective user point of view. On Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 10:45 AM Matt Hoppes < mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
I don't know how you can be embarrassed when you have a pretty solid 30ms ping constantly, and Starlink has jitter all over the place and spikes as high as 280ms.
I'll take the DOCSIS3 system....
On 6/25/21 8:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I thought I would post an interesting comparison between a degraded DOCSIS3 link, of a carrier that shall remain nameless to avoid embarrassing anybody, and a starlink CPE with a slight 1/12th tree obstruction in a portion of its view.
First two screenshots are the docsis3, to its gateway and to a very reliable hosted asterisk system in Seattle.
Second two screenshots are starlink, also to its gateway and to the same destination.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:04 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd much rather have 0.11 to 0.25% average packet loss over a 3 to 24 hour period than 2-3%.
The starlink experience is overall superior at present from a subjective user point of view.
... and I think that this last sentence is the most important one. My current Internet is a 4.3 mile WiFi link to a tower, which has a wifi link to another tower, which has a wifi link to the POP with fiber....[0] There is some correlation between what smokeping shows and what my subjective experience is[1], but it's not absolute. Hearing "this feels better/faster" is sometimes more useful than "this graph shows X". Yup, the Starlink graph showed some spikes of 280+ms, but the general latency looked low. Goodput might be great, or not -- but the important bit remains "overall superior at present from a subjective user point of view." W [0]: Yes, I did the Starlink preorder the second it was available. No, sadly I don't have it yet... [1]: Usually poor. Especially when anyone else is using it...
On Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 10:45 AM Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
I don't know how you can be embarrassed when you have a pretty solid 30ms ping constantly, and Starlink has jitter all over the place and spikes as high as 280ms.
I'll take the DOCSIS3 system....
On 6/25/21 8:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I thought I would post an interesting comparison between a degraded DOCSIS3 link, of a carrier that shall remain nameless to avoid embarrassing anybody, and a starlink CPE with a slight 1/12th tree obstruction in a portion of its view.
First two screenshots are the docsis3, to its gateway and to a very reliable hosted asterisk system in Seattle.
Second two screenshots are starlink, also to its gateway and to the same destination.
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