hey there Eric -- I saw a pointer to the IPNmoo off of www.nanog.com, and this got me thinking - how many other people would be interested in a Nanog-flavor MOO? IPNmoo doesn't seem to be running (www.nlanr.net:4766). sorry, stale web page; it's at ipn.nlanr.net:4766 i've fixed http://www.nlanr.net/Ipnmoo/index.html to reflect current port I've had a bit of experience running a MOO, and it seems like it might be a useful thing to have. I may even be able to provider server space, if there's enough interest. Comments? er, if you don't like the one that's there (currently managed/supported by caida.org) you're certainly welcome to try your own... some learning experiences, fwiw: nb, we haven't seen overwhelming participation yet (folks dribble in a few at a time after each major-outage-that-rates-a-nanog-mention, some subset of those find it useful enough to stay), and tho the discussions are useful (i guess less noise than nanog, but what kind of benchmark is _That) i think there are still some technical obstacles (not to mention the hours.in.day thing) that prevent such tools from reaching their potential (i demoed this a few nanogs ago where you had tools that could have traceroute, whois, and craig.as.data show up in the window shared by everyone -- some of those tools admittedly havent kept up with the transition of the data to new machines and directory structures, if you are into moo.programming there's definitely tasks here you could jump into to help out -- ) there are several quite useful tools that could augment the current platform, not to mention finding some distributed moo code that works so kc.outages don't bring down the United NOC Front :( ) but such distributed code doesn't turn out to appear publically available and stable, alas that would be a nice contribution too -- at any rate, the idea was/is for a neutral forum for ISPs to communicate about immediate problems/possibly co-diagnose/debug them online. (see www.caida.org for inspirational hallucinations of cooperation) i think multiplying this kind service (and especially within non-neutral context, i.e., a single sponsoring ISP in the competitive marketplace) may not have the desired effect -- but i'd be eager to be wrong here -- i'm in no way possessive of the idea/implementation i just want it to be useful i don't care who makes it that way ... so if you have more luck, i'm your new biggest fan fyi reminder that IPNmoo has terms of agreement isomorhpic to those of craig and susan's IPN service supported at merit http://www.merit.edu/ipma/tools http://www.merit.edu/ipma/ipn as mentioned at nanog you're more than welcome to connect as guest if you wanna try it out tnx k (ps man that was fast, eric just connected)