How are you ? When I saw this screen saver, I immediately thought about you I am in a harry, I promise you will love it!
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Andy Li wrote:
How are you ?
'tis a sad, sad day when a cisco employee tries to infect the nanog ml membership with a windoze virus.
Yeah? It's an even sadder day when a report of same (after the second one I started to get annoyed) gets the following message.
** This is an automated message *** A mail message sent from this account to a Cisco employee had an attachment called gone.scr. The file gone.scr contained a virus. Please contact your local System Administrator.
Yeah, I KNOW there was a virus. An abuse address should be just a bit smarter. -- Answering above the the original message is called top posting. Sometimes also called the Jeopardy style. Usenet is Question & Answer, not Answer & Question. Bob Gootee
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, ... wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Andy Li wrote:
How are you ?
'tis a sad, sad day when a cisco employee tries to infect the nanog ml membership with a windoze virus.
"Tries to infect" implies deliberate behaviour - obviously not the case here. I think you owe him an apology.
-Dan
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
Geesh - it's starting to sound like Robin Williams in Popeye 'You owes mes an apologeesk' On Dec 11, 2001 measl@mfn.org spake:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, ... wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Andy Li wrote:
How are you ?
'tis a sad, sad day when a cisco employee tries to infect the nanog ml membership with a windoze virus.
"Tries to infect" implies deliberate behaviour - obviously not the case here.
I think you owe him an apology.
-Dan
-- Rich Sena - ras@thick.net ThickNET Consulting "On the way to understanding; you understand, and forget."
yet another productive nanog thread -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Rich Sena Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:34 PM To: measl@mfn.org Cc: ...; 'nanog@merit.edu' Subject: Re: Hi Geesh - it's starting to sound like Robin Williams in Popeye 'You owes mes an apologeesk' On Dec 11, 2001 measl@mfn.org spake:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, ... wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Andy Li wrote:
How are you ?
'tis a sad, sad day when a cisco employee tries to infect the nanog ml membership with a windoze virus.
"Tries to infect" implies deliberate behaviour - obviously not the case
here.
I think you owe him an apology.
-Dan
-- Rich Sena - ras@thick.net ThickNET Consulting "On the way to understanding; you understand, and forget."
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 measl@mfn.org wrote:
"Tries to infect" implies deliberate behaviour - obviously not the case here.
I think you owe him an apology.
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- I think you owe the list an apology for your repeated 2 line posts with an *18* yes count then *18* line signature. If we consider the amount of bandwidth wasted over the last few months, this obnixous signature takes the cake in a heartbeat over a 40k virus. Jason -- Jason Slagle - CCNP - CCDP Network Administrator - Toledo Internet Access - Toledo Ohio - raistlin@tacorp.net - jslagle@toledolink.com - WHOIS JS10172 /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . Admin - spork/wombat.dal.net X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . Team Lead - Coding The DALnet IRC Network / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail .
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Jason Slagle wrote:
I think you owe the list an apology for your repeated 2 line posts with an *18* yes count then *18* line signature.
If we consider the amount of bandwidth wasted over the last few months, this obnixous signature takes the cake in a heartbeat over a 40k virus.
This just keeps getting better and better.
At 17:18 11/12/01 -0800, ... wrote:
How are you ?
'tis a sad, sad day when a cisco employee tries to infect the nanog ml membership with a windoze virus.
I don't think it was deliberate. Aside from that, it's given me something else to match my filters against - possibly before it explodes a little more! Cheers j -- Joel Rowbottom BSc.(Hons) : Self-confessed was-kid & Net addict since 1991 Work stuff @ http://www.jml.net/ : Personal stuff @ http://www.joel.co.uk/
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 05:18:21PM -0800, ... wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Andy Li wrote:
How are you ?
'tis a sad, sad day when a cisco employee tries to infect the nanog ml membership with a windoze virus.
As far as I'm concerned, every day that people continue to use outlook when it is known to have *sploit/infect me* written all over it, is a sad day. What I love the most is "Well, I know it catches and spreads virii and sends my confidential office documents to just about anyone behind my back, but I really like it" People never learn, really... Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key
You would think that NANOG would filter out all attachments sent to the mailing list. Wow, what a concept!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc MERLIN" <marc_news@valinux.com> To: "..." <goemon@anime.net> Cc: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Hi
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 05:18:21PM -0800, ... wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Andy Li wrote:
How are you ?
'tis a sad, sad day when a cisco employee tries to infect the nanog ml membership with a windoze virus.
As far as I'm concerned, every day that people continue to use outlook
when
it is known to have *sploit/infect me* written all over it, is a sad day.
What I love the most is "Well, I know it catches and spreads virii and sends my confidential office documents to just about anyone behind my back, but I really like it"
People never learn, really...
Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 09:44:34PM -0800, Larry Diffey wrote:
You would think that NANOG would filter out all attachments sent to the mailing list.
Wow, what a concept!!
I'm sure this is not what you meant, but I have noticed recently that many less-technically-inclined people seem to think that "the attachment" is the dangerous thing, almost as if the "technology of attachments" is somehow flawed and risky. This is surely a triumph of marketing over education. Joe
Well, actually they've tried education. Even the anti-virus vendors feel the same, they've tried, they've failed to educate. So, not to put TOO fine a point on it, if people aren't 'clueful'(how nice) enough to A: turn off known harmful options, B: run current antivirus software(if you don't you are criminally negligent), C: use software that, if not virus proof(don't know of any, but...), is hard to infect, and not open attachments from people they don't know, then filter it. Is there any operational reason to have attachments clutter NANOG? Not that I can really think of, other than what this whole topic is about. You want to share big logs with people, etc, put them on a web site. todd 'sick of people using email as a file server' suiter On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Joe Abley wrote:
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 09:44:34PM -0800, Larry Diffey wrote:
You would think that NANOG would filter out all attachments sent to the mailing list.
Wow, what a concept!!
I'm sure this is not what you meant, but I have noticed recently that many less-technically-inclined people seem to think that "the attachment" is the dangerous thing, almost as if the "technology of attachments" is somehow flawed and risky.
This is surely a triumph of marketing over education.
Joe
I'm sure this is not what you meant, but I have noticed recently that many less-technically-inclined people seem to think that "the attachment" is the dangerous thing, almost as if the "technology of attachments" is somehow flawed and risky.
i think it is flawed - mime does not make things compatible, but rater codifies incompatibility. the sender things that, because they can send it, the receiver can understand it. risky - as it allows encapsulation of executables, and the masses do not understand the concept, it opens up a channel to deeper in some recipients' systems than these naive users may be aware. but like other tools, the misuse is not in the tool, but the mis-user. otoh, the user could be better warned, and the toolmaker could make the default installation safer for the recipient. randy
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:22:52 PST, Marc MERLIN said:
As far as I'm concerned, every day that people continue to use outlook when it is known to have *sploit/infect me* written all over it, is a sad day.
What I love the most is "Well, I know it catches and spreads virii and sends my confidential office documents to just about anyone behind my back, but I really like it"
My personal favorite is the "Out of Clue autoresponder" that tells me all the following: 1) The person just announced to all and sundry on a worldwide mailing list that they will be skiing until Dec 22, so burglars are welcome until then. 2) And their X-Mailer tag tells all the miscreants who are not into burglary exactly which methods of delivering an e-mail based trojan will work, in case you wish to e-mail them an attachment that opens the victim's financial software and transfers all the money in the checking account, and then install a keystroke recorder to snag credit card numbers. Yes, these are usability features. Just not for the owner of the software ;) -- Valdis Kletnieks Operating Systems Analyst Virginia Tech
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