RE: Independent space from ARIN
Was this tongue in cheek? I am not an economist, but this is a sure fire way to destroy the internet as we know it today. Kris
-----Original Message----- From: Brandon Ross [mailto:bross@sockeye.com] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 4:20 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Independent space from ARIN
The solution to the problems posted in this thread about ARIN is fairly simple. It's time to deregulate the IP address market and convert to a free market approach to allocating IP addresses. If address space could be bought and sold on a free market you would no longer have to justify your address space to anyone, saving untold amount of resources and costs pulling these reports together. Of course, address space wouldn't be wasted the way it is today by organizations that hoard it, or by companies that go out of business because it would make sound financial sense to sell what you don't need.
ARIN (and the other registries as well) could still exist and function as a central repository (think of a title registry) of information about the current ownership of address blocks.
-- Brandon Ross AIM: BrandonNR VP Operations ICQ: 2269442 Sockeye Networks
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Kris Foster wrote:
Was this tongue in cheek?
Nope.
I am not an economist, but this is a sure fire way to destroy the internet as we know it today.
Why is this so hard to believe? Real estate is mostly a free market, and that seems to perform pretty well for the most part. How is address space that different? Please explain how you believe this would destroy the internet.
-----Original Message----- From: Brandon Ross [mailto:bross@sockeye.com] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 4:20 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Independent space from ARIN
The solution to the problems posted in this thread about ARIN is fairly simple. It's time to deregulate the IP address market and convert to a free market approach to allocating IP addresses. If address space could be bought and sold on a free market you would no longer have to justify your address space to anyone, saving untold amount of resources and costs pulling these reports together. Of course, address space wouldn't be wasted the way it is today by organizations that hoard it, or by companies that go out of business because it would make sound financial sense to sell what you don't need.
ARIN (and the other registries as well) could still exist and function as a central repository (think of a title registry) of information about the current ownership of address blocks.
-- Brandon Ross AIM: BrandonNR VP Operations ICQ: 2269442 Sockeye Networks
-- Brandon Ross AIM: BrandonNR VP Operations ICQ: 2269442 Sockeye Networks
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:33:34 EDT, Brandon Ross said:
Why is this so hard to believe? Real estate is mostly a free market, and that seems to perform pretty well for the most part. How is address space that different? Please explain how you believe this would destroy the internet.
Overbuilding office space in San Francisco doesn't *usually* cause real estate issues in Tokyo.
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:33:34 EDT, Brandon Ross said:
Why is this so hard to believe? Real estate is mostly a free market, and that seems to perform pretty well for the most part. How is address space that different? Please explain how you believe this would destroy the internet.
Overbuilding office space in San Francisco doesn't *usually* cause real estate issues in Tokyo.
I must be missing your point because I don't see how that's relevant. Think of the 69/8 space as being out in the middle of nowhere (due to the bogon filters). It's cheap land but it comes with it's problems. If you invest in it, you can increase it's value, if you don't want to, buy the more expensive downtown property. -- Brandon Ross AIM: BrandonNR VP Operations ICQ: 2269442 Sockeye Networks
Brandon Ross wrote:
Why is this so hard to believe? Real estate is mostly a free market, and that seems to perform pretty well for the most part. How is address space that different? Please explain how you believe this would destroy the internet.
Aggregation on a per-network basis would go down the tubes. ARIN sets aside a larger block than a network's initial allocation when first apply. I'm not sure what the criteria are for this initial large block, but I assume it's around a year's worth of projected growth. The network is then given adjacent pieces of that larger block as the need is justified. Once it have used up that block, you have one nice, pretty entry for the global tables. If any network had to go to eBay to buy a /22 every time they need one, look out. You think the BGP tables are too big now ? Of course, the other alternative is to buy a HUGE block of IP addresses and hoard them. So much for address conservation and reduction of wasted, unused space. -- Andrea Abrahamsen Software Engineer, Intelligent Network Services Cisco Systems
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Brandon Ross wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Kris Foster wrote:
Was this tongue in cheek?
Nope.
I am not an economist, but this is a sure fire way to destroy the internet as we know it today.
Why is this so hard to believe? Real estate is mostly a free market, and that seems to perform pretty well for the most part. How is address space that different? Please explain how you believe this would destroy the internet.
Heh! Steve
-----Original Message----- From: Brandon Ross [mailto:bross@sockeye.com] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 4:20 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Independent space from ARIN
The solution to the problems posted in this thread about ARIN is fairly simple. It's time to deregulate the IP address market and convert to a free market approach to allocating IP addresses. If address space could be bought and sold on a free market you would no longer have to justify your address space to anyone, saving untold amount of resources and costs pulling these reports together. Of course, address space wouldn't be wasted the way it is today by organizations that hoard it, or by companies that go out of business because it would make sound financial sense to sell what you don't need.
ARIN (and the other registries as well) could still exist and function as a central repository (think of a title registry) of information about the current ownership of address blocks.
-- Brandon Ross AIM: BrandonNR VP Operations ICQ: 2269442 Sockeye Networks
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