RE: standards for giving out blocks of IP addresses
VERY true... Many a times the closing during a contract will be the reminder to the salesperson, "So, you know we still need those 4 /24s right, as we discussed when we first met?" Then a phone a call is made and some words exchanged and the answer is, "My boss says he can do that for you, but he needs the contract back today to reserve them." :-). -----Original Message----- From: Martin, Christian [mailto:cmartin@gnilink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:38 PM To: 'Kevin Loch' Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: standards for giving out blocks of IP addresses
Of course bandwidth != subnet mask. He should give them whatever IP's they demonstrate a need for in the next three months. Determining and justifying that need has nothing to do with how over (or under) subscribed their bandwidth is.
Let us not forget what some salespersons will promise to potential large bandwidth customers. An OC-3 POS customer, for example, can expect many many /24s. One may say "They should go to ARIN", but alas, they would have to pay another $2500 on top of the $1 million+ they are paying for transit. <8{} It is surprising how much a salesperson will "sell" to get the commission on a 5 year OC-3 contract, forget about OC-12/48... So, in some cases, like it or not, bandwidth sold is proportional to IP addresses. chris
If they are in fact only selling dialup (not leased lines, not web hosting), you might ask how many pops(locations) they plan to have right away, modems/pop, space reserved for internal devices (email/corporate lan) and links. You could easially justify a couple of /24's with a couple locations and IP's for all the new PC's in the marketing dept.
KL
...and then the install engineer finds out that the customer only has ~50 or so hosts, and tells the customer that all they qualify for is one /25. Hijinks ensue. I would personally tar and feather any sales rep who promises a certain amount of IP space to a customer without knowledgee of the customer's actual IP needs and current utilization. PSI was famous for handing out /24s from their 38.0.0.0/8 space willy-nilly, and I've had more than one conversation with a "refugee" customer who says "but...but...PSI gave me a /24!#@!#"... in short, my view is that IP allocations to customers should NEVER be a marketing/sales decision. -C On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:49:53PM -0400, Rishi Singh wrote:
VERY true...
Many a times the closing during a contract will be the reminder to the salesperson, "So, you know we still need those 4 /24s right, as we discussed when we first met?"
Then a phone a call is made and some words exchanged and the answer is, "My boss says he can do that for you, but he needs the contract back today to reserve them."
:-).
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Christopher A. Woodfield wrote:
I would personally tar and feather any sales rep who promises a certain amount of IP space to a customer without knowledgee of the customer's actual IP needs and current utilization. PSI was famous for handing out /24s from their 38.0.0.0/8 space willy-nilly, and I've had more than one conversation with a "refugee" customer who says "but...but...PSI gave me a /24!#@!#"...
I think they must have gotten the message, because I know a PSI customer that was using close to a /27 when they went with them, and that's just what they got, from 38/8... James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am =========================================================================
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