:: What do you suggest? Shoot them at Dawn? :-) Not all of them. Just shoot the first one and the rest will pay attention! ;-) :: We don't have a runaway spamming problem on the list. A lot of it has to do with naming-n-shaming, which he did. Instead of a firing squad, it's a financial punishment squad. That's the only place it hurts them and if made public it's even more effective. :: And your proposed solution is? Let the naming-n-shaming continue, rather than supporting the slimy spammer's position! There's not a naming-n-shaming problem here, either. :: Prohibit NANOG members from buying their products? No, we will do that ourselves. scott ps. I feel like I'm in a different universe when NANOG folks are supporting the spammer's side on the list!