Hi Does anyone make a SFP with a system on chip "computer" that you can run a small embedded linux on? I am sure it can be done because I have a "GPON stick" which is basically a ONU with a small embedded Linux all on a SFP module. Does get fairly hot however. My application is to run some small things that I feel is missing in my switches/routers. Plug in this imaginary "SFP computer" to enhance the switch with a small Linux. The SFP slot provides both networking and power to the device. Regards, Baldur
Mk802 might get you close. Sub $50 plus a couple adapters. ________________________________ From: NANOG on behalf of Baldur Norddahl Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 9:24:21 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: sfp "computer"? Hi Does anyone make a SFP with a system on chip "computer" that you can run a small embedded linux on? I am sure it can be done because I have a "GPON stick" which is basically a ONU with a small embedded Linux all on a SFP module. Does get fairly hot however. My application is to run some small things that I feel is missing in my switches/routers. Plug in this imaginary "SFP computer" to enhance the switch with a small Linux. The SFP slot provides both networking and power to the device. Regards, Baldur
Hi, The problem with that is the lack of power options. I got -48V DC. And no USB port to power any devices. Regards, Baldur On 16 October 2015 at 04:47, Jameson, Daniel <Daniel.Jameson@tdstelecom.com> wrote:
Mk802 might get you close. Sub $50 plus a couple adapters.
------------------------------ *From:* NANOG on behalf of Baldur Norddahl *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2015 9:24:21 PM *To:* nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* sfp "computer"?
Hi
Does anyone make a SFP with a system on chip "computer" that you can run a small embedded linux on?
I am sure it can be done because I have a "GPON stick" which is basically a ONU with a small embedded Linux all on a SFP module. Does get fairly hot however.
My application is to run some small things that I feel is missing in my switches/routers. Plug in this imaginary "SFP computer" to enhance the switch with a small Linux. The SFP slot provides both networking and power to the device.
Regards,
Baldur
On 10/15/15 8:23 PM, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
Hi,
The problem with that is the lack of power options. I got -48V DC. And no USB port to power any devices.
step it down (buck converter) to 5v and use a raspberry pi http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/sense_power/FM142/CL1456/SC355/PF63205
Regards,
Baldur
On 16 October 2015 at 04:47, Jameson, Daniel <Daniel.Jameson@tdstelecom.com> wrote:
Mk802 might get you close. Sub $50 plus a couple adapters.
------------------------------ *From:* NANOG on behalf of Baldur Norddahl *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2015 9:24:21 PM *To:* nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* sfp "computer"?
Hi
Does anyone make a SFP with a system on chip "computer" that you can run a small embedded linux on?
I am sure it can be done because I have a "GPON stick" which is basically a ONU with a small embedded Linux all on a SFP module. Does get fairly hot however.
My application is to run some small things that I feel is missing in my switches/routers. Plug in this imaginary "SFP computer" to enhance the switch with a small Linux. The SFP slot provides both networking and power to the device.
Regards,
Baldur
or step down to 12vdc and use any number of standard PC options: http://www.mini-box.com/DC-DC <http://www.mini-box.com/DC-DC>
On Oct 15, 2015, at 11:11 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
On 10/15/15 8:23 PM, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
Hi,
The problem with that is the lack of power options. I got -48V DC. And no USB port to power any devices.
step it down (buck converter) to 5v and use a raspberry pi
http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/sense_power/FM142/CL1456/SC355/PF63205
Regards,
Baldur
On 16 October 2015 at 04:47, Jameson, Daniel <Daniel.Jameson@tdstelecom.com> wrote:
Mk802 might get you close. Sub $50 plus a couple adapters.
------------------------------ *From:* NANOG on behalf of Baldur Norddahl *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2015 9:24:21 PM *To:* nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* sfp "computer"?
Hi
Does anyone make a SFP with a system on chip "computer" that you can run a small embedded linux on?
I am sure it can be done because I have a "GPON stick" which is basically a ONU with a small embedded Linux all on a SFP module. Does get fairly hot however.
My application is to run some small things that I feel is missing in my switches/routers. Plug in this imaginary "SFP computer" to enhance the switch with a small Linux. The SFP slot provides both networking and power to the device.
Regards,
Baldur
Supermicro makes a -48VDC server that is 1RU with a shallow form factor for telco environments.
On Oct 15, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
The problem with that is the lack of power options. I got -48V DC. And no USB port to power any devices.
Regards,
Baldur
On 16 October 2015 at 04:47, Jameson, Daniel <Daniel.Jameson@tdstelecom.com> wrote:
Mk802 might get you close. Sub $50 plus a couple adapters.
------------------------------ *From:* NANOG on behalf of Baldur Norddahl *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2015 9:24:21 PM *To:* nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* sfp "computer"?
Hi
Does anyone make a SFP with a system on chip "computer" that you can run a small embedded linux on?
I am sure it can be done because I have a "GPON stick" which is basically a ONU with a small embedded Linux all on a SFP module. Does get fairly hot however.
My application is to run some small things that I feel is missing in my switches/routers. Plug in this imaginary "SFP computer" to enhance the switch with a small Linux. The SFP slot provides both networking and power to the device.
Regards,
Baldur
A different approach would be use one of the newer switches from Juniper and run right on the RE if you have those in your network On Oct 15, 2015, at 9:24 PM, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Does anyone make a SFP with a system on chip "computer" that you can run a small embedded linux on? I am sure it can be done because I have a "GPON stick" which is basically a ONU with a small embedded Linux all on a SFP module. Does get fairly hot however. My application is to run some small things that I feel is missing in my switches/routers. Plug in this imaginary "SFP computer" to enhance the switch with a small Linux. The SFP slot provides both networking and power to the device. Regards, Baldur
Or Arista On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Jerry Jones <jjones@danrj.com> wrote:
A different approach would be use one of the newer switches from Juniper and run right on the RE if you have those in your network
On Oct 15, 2015, at 9:24 PM, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
Does anyone make a SFP with a system on chip "computer" that you can run a small embedded linux on?
I am sure it can be done because I have a "GPON stick" which is basically a ONU with a small embedded Linux all on a SFP module. Does get fairly hot however.
My application is to run some small things that I feel is missing in my switches/routers. Plug in this imaginary "SFP computer" to enhance the switch with a small Linux. The SFP slot provides both networking and power to the device.
Regards,
Baldur
-- Jason
Which new switches are you talking about Jerry? On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Jerry Jones <jjones@danrj.com> wrote:
A different approach would be use one of the newer switches from Juniper and run right on the RE if you have those in your network
On Oct 15, 2015, at 9:24 PM, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
Does anyone make a SFP with a system on chip "computer" that you can run a small embedded linux on?
I am sure it can be done because I have a "GPON stick" which is basically a ONU with a small embedded Linux all on a SFP module. Does get fairly hot however.
My application is to run some small things that I feel is missing in my switches/routers. Plug in this imaginary "SFP computer" to enhance the switch with a small Linux. The SFP slot provides both networking and power to the device.
Regards,
Baldur
Qfx5100 and I think ex4600. Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
Which new switches are you talking about Jerry?
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Jerry Jones <jjones@danrj.com> wrote: A different approach would be use one of the newer switches from Juniper and run right on the RE if you have those in your network
On Oct 15, 2015, at 9:24 PM, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
Does anyone make a SFP with a system on chip "computer" that you can run a small embedded linux on?
I am sure it can be done because I have a "GPON stick" which is basically a ONU with a small embedded Linux all on a SFP module. Does get fairly hot however.
My application is to run some small things that I feel is missing in my switches/routers. Plug in this imaginary "SFP computer" to enhance the switch with a small Linux. The SFP slot provides both networking and power to the device.
Regards,
Baldur
I don't know if they're pushing it for the QFX5100, but I think on the QFX10k line they're pushing the ability to run another guest VM alongside the 2 JUNOS VMs on the switch's x86 CPU. See page 4 on the spec sheet: http://www.juniper.net/assets/us/en/local/pdf/datasheets/1000531-en.pdf No idea what's involved with packaging the VM and getting it there, but should open up some interesting possibilties. - Chip On 2015-10-19, Anhost <jjones@danrj.com> sent:
Qfx5100 and I think ex4600.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
Which new switches are you talking about Jerry?
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Jerry Jones <jjones@danrj.com> wrote: A different approach would be use one of the newer switches from Juniper and run right on the RE if you have those in your network
On Oct 15, 2015, at 9:24 PM, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
Does anyone make a SFP with a system on chip "computer" that you can run a small embedded linux on?
I am sure it can be done because I have a "GPON stick" which is basically a ONU with a small embedded Linux all on a SFP module. Does get fairly hot however.
My application is to run some small things that I feel is missing in my switches/routers. Plug in this imaginary "SFP computer" to enhance the switch with a small Linux. The SFP slot provides both networking and power to the device.
Regards,
Baldur
-- Chip Marshall <chip@2bithacker.net> http://2bithacker.net/
On 20 October 2015 at 01:42, Chip Marshall <chip@2bithacker.net> wrote: Hey,
See page 4 on the spec sheet: http://www.juniper.net/assets/us/en/local/pdf/datasheets/1000531-en.pdf
No idea what's involved with packaging the VM and getting it there, but should open up some interesting possibilties.
What are those possibilities? How can you leverage VM in your router/switch? Do you have access to the high performance NPU? Or some high-performance link to forwarding-plane? If it's just plain old VM in server, why would you want to save 1kUSD on installing compute to the rack and add complexity/risk to your network infrastructure? JunOS, IOS-XR are very fickle already and fail on the darnest things, I'd be very hesitant to put random VM there without extremely compelling justification. -- ++ytti
There are also modules for ISR G2 (quite powerfull) which can host OS/Hypervisor http://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/products/collateral/servers-unified-computi... On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Saku Ytti <saku@ytti.fi> wrote:
On 20 October 2015 at 01:42, Chip Marshall <chip@2bithacker.net> wrote:
Hey,
See page 4 on the spec sheet: http://www.juniper.net/assets/us/en/local/pdf/datasheets/1000531-en.pdf
No idea what's involved with packaging the VM and getting it there, but should open up some interesting possibilties.
What are those possibilities? How can you leverage VM in your router/switch? Do you have access to the high performance NPU? Or some high-performance link to forwarding-plane?
If it's just plain old VM in server, why would you want to save 1kUSD on installing compute to the rack and add complexity/risk to your network infrastructure? JunOS, IOS-XR are very fickle already and fail on the darnest things, I'd be very hesitant to put random VM there without extremely compelling justification.
-- ++ytti
These have been around for a while and looked awesome. http://www.rad.com/10/Ethernet-Demarcation-SFP/24944/ There was a great ad for it to, not sure if it was this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMfi4NqlpRs Dave Täht I just lost five years of my life to making wifi better. And, now... the FCC wants to make my work, illegal for people to install. https://www.gofundme.com/savewifi
On 21 October 2015 at 21:01, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Dave,
These have been around for a while and looked awesome.
http://www.rad.com/10/Ethernet-Demarcation-SFP/24944/
There was a great ad for it to, not sure if it was this one:
Based on Baldur's original message, it seems he is aware of these, but he wants SFP where the control-plane is exposed to him to do what ever he pleases there. I know Huawei has router-in-SFP called 'ATOM', unsure if it's VRP based or something smaller, but I don't think it meets Baldur's use-case either. There is clearly nothing stopping from having general purpose PC on SFP, but there may be insufficient demand. I'm sure if you'll order 1000 of them, someone will make them in non-terrible price. Another SFP+ I'd be interested is, is subrate SFP+, which turns your 10GE port into 10/100/1000 port. Very annoying if after upgrade cycle, for that one port in pop, you need to chain additional switch. I think for this subrate SFP+ there would be market which would justify ordering some volume of them. -- ++ytti
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