On 9/25/13 18:29:58, Jeff Kell wrote:
On 9/25/2013 8:25 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
with the old fashioned pair of diagonal cutters applied to fiber?
Yes, interesting to know if it was cut fiber, pressure on the inside providers (or their feeds), or pressure on the outside providers.
Traceroutes lend any clue?
Jeff
If the government did it, I guarantee it was cut fiber. That makes it difficult to quickly restore. One has to wonder whats going on there right now that they dont want the world to know about?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/sudan-security-clashes-subsid y-protesters-20360418 On 9/25/13 5:34 PM, "Tammy Firefly" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:29:58, Jeff Kell wrote:
On 9/25/2013 8:25 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
with the old fashioned pair of diagonal cutters applied to fiber?
Yes, interesting to know if it was cut fiber, pressure on the inside providers (or their feeds), or pressure on the outside providers.
Traceroutes lend any clue?
Jeff
If the government did it, I guarantee it was cut fiber. That makes it difficult to quickly restore. One has to wonder whats going on there right now that they dont want the world to know about?
On 9/25/13 18:38:09, Warren Bailey wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/sudan-security-clashes-subsid y-protesters-20360418
On 9/25/13 5:34 PM, "Tammy Firefly" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:29:58, Jeff Kell wrote:
On 9/25/2013 8:25 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
with the old fashioned pair of diagonal cutters applied to fiber?
Yes, interesting to know if it was cut fiber, pressure on the inside providers (or their feeds), or pressure on the outside providers.
Traceroutes lend any clue?
Jeff
If the government did it, I guarantee it was cut fiber. That makes it difficult to quickly restore. One has to wonder whats going on there right now that they dont want the world to know about?
Then its quite likely the government cut the fiber to cover that up :) wouldnt surprise me if they cut it in multiple places as well.
We make Ku-band backpacks for this type of scenario. I would give it 12-18 hours before you see CNN light up with live feeds.. I didn't even KNOW this was happening prior to them doing this. Seems like cutting off access would alert a lot more folks than some people wrecking Sudan over fuel subsidies?? Doesn't look like it's been picked up by CNN substantially yet, but I imagine we'll get "breaking news" soon enough. Would be interesting to see if it was a forced drop or did they actually just take a pair of scissors and murder the internets? On 9/25/13 5:40 PM, "Tammy Firefly" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:38:09, Warren Bailey wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/sudan-security-clashes-subs id y-protesters-20360418
On 9/25/13 5:34 PM, "Tammy Firefly" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:29:58, Jeff Kell wrote:
On 9/25/2013 8:25 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
with the old fashioned pair of diagonal cutters applied to fiber?
Yes, interesting to know if it was cut fiber, pressure on the inside providers (or their feeds), or pressure on the outside providers.
Traceroutes lend any clue?
Jeff
If the government did it, I guarantee it was cut fiber. That makes it difficult to quickly restore. One has to wonder whats going on there right now that they dont want the world to know about?
Then its quite likely the government cut the fiber to cover that up :) wouldnt surprise me if they cut it in multiple places as well.
My recollection is that Renesys classified Sudan as a country vulnerable to disconnection due to low diversification of international transit; the old authoritarian preference on monopolizing the gateways has its advantages. I have been monitoring responsive hosts using ZMap every 15 minutes or so since afternoon. However, it seems probable from the incremental disconnect that this was a legal compliance situation (a fax to the ISP), rather than flipping a switch or cutting a wire? cda.io/r/sudan_1380162900_ICMP.png On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Warren Bailey < wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
We make Ku-band backpacks for this type of scenario. I would give it 12-18 hours before you see CNN light up with live feeds.. I didn't even KNOW this was happening prior to them doing this. Seems like cutting off access would alert a lot more folks than some people wrecking Sudan over fuel subsidies??
Doesn't look like it's been picked up by CNN substantially yet, but I imagine we'll get "breaking news" soon enough. Would be interesting to see if it was a forced drop or did they actually just take a pair of scissors and murder the internets?
On 9/25/13 5:40 PM, "Tammy Firefly" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:38:09, Warren Bailey wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/sudan-security-clashes-subs
id y-protesters-20360418
On 9/25/13 5:34 PM, "Tammy Firefly" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:29:58, Jeff Kell wrote:
On 9/25/2013 8:25 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
with the old fashioned pair of diagonal cutters applied to fiber?
Yes, interesting to know if it was cut fiber, pressure on the inside providers (or their feeds), or pressure on the outside providers.
Traceroutes lend any clue?
Jeff
If the government did it, I guarantee it was cut fiber. That makes it difficult to quickly restore. One has to wonder whats going on there right now that they dont want the world to know about?
Then its quite likely the government cut the fiber to cover that up :) wouldnt surprise me if they cut it in multiple places as well.
-- *Collin David Anderson* averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C.
On 13-09-25 20:43, Warren Bailey wrote:
We make Ku-band backpacks for this type of scenario. I would give it 12-18 hours before you see CNN light up with live feeds..
Why would an entertainment network cover real news ? BBC or AlJazeera are better news sources for stuff that happens more than 2 bocks away from CNN's atlanta offices. BBC: 25 September 2013 Last updated at 17:54 ET Sudan fuel unrest: Many die in Khartoum as riots continue http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24272835 Al Jazeera: Sudan protests over fuel prices turn deadly Security forces use tear gas to disperse demonstrators in Khartoum amid simmering anger over subsidy cuts. Last Modified: 25 Sep 2013 18:08
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2013/09/sudan-protests-over-fuel-turns-...
Neither article mentions internet disconnection.
It's not a fiber cut. It did come back for a while at least. <https://twitter.com/akamai_soti/status/382872513761398785/photo/1> -- TTFN, patrick On Sep 25, 2013, at 21:03 , Jean-Francois Mezei <jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca> wrote:
On 13-09-25 20:43, Warren Bailey wrote:
We make Ku-band backpacks for this type of scenario. I would give it 12-18 hours before you see CNN light up with live feeds..
Why would an entertainment network cover real news ?
BBC or AlJazeera are better news sources for stuff that happens more than 2 bocks away from CNN's atlanta offices.
BBC: 25 September 2013 Last updated at 17:54 ET
Sudan fuel unrest: Many die in Khartoum as riots continue http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24272835
Al Jazeera: Sudan protests over fuel prices turn deadly Security forces use tear gas to disperse demonstrators in Khartoum amid simmering anger over subsidy cuts. Last Modified: 25 Sep 2013 18:08
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2013/09/sudan-protests-over-fuel-turns-...
Neither article mentions internet disconnection.
On 26/09/2013 03:04, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
It's not a fiber cut. It did come back for a while at least.
<https://twitter.com/akamai_soti/status/382872513761398785/photo/1>
This is data from RIPEstat / RIPE Atlas: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/emileaben/sudan-internet-disruptions near-realtime stats of visibility of Sudanese prefixes and ASNs: https://stat.ripe.net/SD#tabId=routing Looks like the number of prefixes went up to about normal again the last hour or so. best regards, Emile Aben RIPE NCC
On 26/09/2013 12:23, Emile Aben wrote:
On 26/09/2013 03:04, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
It's not a fiber cut. It did come back for a while at least.
<https://twitter.com/akamai_soti/status/382872513761398785/photo/1>
This is data from RIPEstat / RIPE Atlas:
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/emileaben/sudan-internet-disruptions
near-realtime stats of visibility of Sudanese prefixes and ASNs: https://stat.ripe.net/SD#tabId=routing
Looks like the number of prefixes went up to about normal again the last hour or so.
You'll need to zoom to actually see this, here's the zoomed view: https://stat.ripe.net/widget/country-routing-stats#w.resource=sd&w.zoom_start=1380078150593&w.zoom_end=1380191700000&w.comparison=no
best regards, Emile Aben RIPE NCC
If they don't have news of the internet connection, we're probably both looking at the wrong news feed. ;) Patrick sent a twitter image showing the murder in traffic, but it looks like after the spike SOMETHING came back?? If it was scissor murdered, I would assume it would have been flat lined across the board. Either way, I'm sure this is related and they're monitoring this list closely.. ;) On 9/25/13 6:03 PM, "Jean-Francois Mezei" <jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca> wrote:
On 13-09-25 20:43, Warren Bailey wrote:
We make Ku-band backpacks for this type of scenario. I would give it 12-18 hours before you see CNN light up with live feeds..
Why would an entertainment network cover real news ?
BBC or AlJazeera are better news sources for stuff that happens more than 2 bocks away from CNN's atlanta offices.
BBC: 25 September 2013 Last updated at 17:54 ET
Sudan fuel unrest: Many die in Khartoum as riots continue http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24272835
Al Jazeera: Sudan protests over fuel prices turn deadly Security forces use tear gas to disperse demonstrators in Khartoum amid simmering anger over subsidy cuts. Last Modified: 25 Sep 2013 18:08
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2013/09/sudan-protests-over-fuel-tur ns-deadly-2013925104639248955.html
Neither article mentions internet disconnection.
Of course it is entirely possible that it was the rioters simply because they wanted people to notice. And I guess it worked.
-----Original Message----- From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, 25 September, 2013 18:43 To: Tammy Firefly Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Sudan disconnected from the Internet
We make Ku-band backpacks for this type of scenario. I would give it 12- 18 hours before you see CNN light up with live feeds.. I didn't even KNOW this was happening prior to them doing this. Seems like cutting off access would alert a lot more folks than some people wrecking Sudan over fuel subsidies??
Doesn't look like it's been picked up by CNN substantially yet, but I imagine we'll get "breaking news" soon enough. Would be interesting to see if it was a forced drop or did they actually just take a pair of scissors and murder the internets?
On 9/25/13 5:40 PM, "Tammy Firefly" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:38:09, Warren Bailey wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/sudan-security-clashes-
id y-protesters-20360418
On 9/25/13 5:34 PM, "Tammy Firefly" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:29:58, Jeff Kell wrote:
On 9/25/2013 8:25 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
with the old fashioned pair of diagonal cutters applied to fiber?
Yes, interesting to know if it was cut fiber, pressure on the inside providers (or their feeds), or pressure on the outside providers.
Traceroutes lend any clue?
Jeff
If the government did it, I guarantee it was cut fiber. That makes it difficult to quickly restore. One has to wonder whats going on
subs there
right now that they dont want the world to know about?
Then its quite likely the government cut the fiber to cover that up :) wouldnt surprise me if they cut it in multiple places as well.
Or the country as a whole had WAY too many iPhones in need of a 7.0 upgrade. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Keith Medcalf [mailto:kmedcalf@dessus.com] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:23 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Sudan disconnected from the Internet Of course it is entirely possible that it was the rioters simply because they wanted people to notice. And I guess it worked.
-----Original Message----- From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, 25 September, 2013 18:43 To: Tammy Firefly Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Sudan disconnected from the Internet
We make Ku-band backpacks for this type of scenario. I would give it 12- 18 hours before you see CNN light up with live feeds.. I didn't even KNOW this was happening prior to them doing this. Seems like cutting off access would alert a lot more folks than some people wrecking Sudan over fuel subsidies??
Doesn't look like it's been picked up by CNN substantially yet, but I imagine we'll get "breaking news" soon enough. Would be interesting to see if it was a forced drop or did they actually just take a pair of scissors and murder the internets?
On 9/25/13 5:40 PM, "Tammy Firefly" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:38:09, Warren Bailey wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/sudan-security-clashes -
id y-protesters-20360418
On 9/25/13 5:34 PM, "Tammy Firefly" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:29:58, Jeff Kell wrote:
On 9/25/2013 8:25 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
with the old fashioned pair of diagonal cutters applied to fiber?
Yes, interesting to know if it was cut fiber, pressure on the inside providers (or their feeds), or pressure on the outside providers.
Traceroutes lend any clue?
Jeff
If the government did it, I guarantee it was cut fiber. That makes it difficult to quickly restore. One has to wonder whats going on
subs there
right now that they dont want the world to know about?
Then its quite likely the government cut the fiber to cover that up :) wouldnt surprise me if they cut it in multiple places as well.
We learned last week that iPhone updates cripple no network as they are regional and magical, simultaneously. ;) Sent from my Mobile Device. -------- Original message -------- From: Chuck Church <chuckchurch@gmail.com> Date: 09/26/2013 10:44 AM (GMT-08:00) To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Sudan disconnected from the Internet Or the country as a whole had WAY too many iPhones in need of a 7.0 upgrade. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Keith Medcalf [mailto:kmedcalf@dessus.com] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:23 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Sudan disconnected from the Internet Of course it is entirely possible that it was the rioters simply because they wanted people to notice. And I guess it worked.
-----Original Message----- From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, 25 September, 2013 18:43 To: Tammy Firefly Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Sudan disconnected from the Internet
We make Ku-band backpacks for this type of scenario. I would give it 12- 18 hours before you see CNN light up with live feeds.. I didn't even KNOW this was happening prior to them doing this. Seems like cutting off access would alert a lot more folks than some people wrecking Sudan over fuel subsidies??
Doesn't look like it's been picked up by CNN substantially yet, but I imagine we'll get "breaking news" soon enough. Would be interesting to see if it was a forced drop or did they actually just take a pair of scissors and murder the internets?
On 9/25/13 5:40 PM, "Tammy Firefly" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:38:09, Warren Bailey wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/sudan-security-clashes -
id y-protesters-20360418
On 9/25/13 5:34 PM, "Tammy Firefly" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:29:58, Jeff Kell wrote:
On 9/25/2013 8:25 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
with the old fashioned pair of diagonal cutters applied to fiber?
Yes, interesting to know if it was cut fiber, pressure on the inside providers (or their feeds), or pressure on the outside providers.
Traceroutes lend any clue?
Jeff
If the government did it, I guarantee it was cut fiber. That makes it difficult to quickly restore. One has to wonder whats going on
subs there
right now that they dont want the world to know about?
Then its quite likely the government cut the fiber to cover that up :) wouldnt surprise me if they cut it in multiple places as well.
Thats disappointing. I was imagining some networking trick with which Sudan was being disconnected (prefix hijacking, etc) - didnt strike me that this was also an option available! :-) On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Tammy Firefly <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz>wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:38:09, Warren Bailey wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/sudan-security-clashes-subsid
y-protesters-20360418
On 9/25/13 5:34 PM, "Tammy Firefly" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:29:58, Jeff Kell wrote:
On 9/25/2013 8:25 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
with the old fashioned pair of diagonal cutters applied to fiber?
Yes, interesting to know if it was cut fiber, pressure on the inside providers (or their feeds), or pressure on the outside providers.
Traceroutes lend any clue?
Jeff
If the government did it, I guarantee it was cut fiber. That makes it difficult to quickly restore. One has to wonder whats going on there right now that they dont want the world to know about?
Then its quite likely the government cut the fiber to cover that up :) wouldnt surprise me if they cut it in multiple places as well.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/sudan-security-clashes-subsidy... On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Tammy Firefly <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz>wrote:
On 9/25/13 18:29:58, Jeff Kell wrote:
On 9/25/2013 8:25 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
with the old fashioned pair of diagonal cutters applied to fiber?
Yes, interesting to know if it was cut fiber, pressure on the inside providers (or their feeds), or pressure on the outside providers.
Traceroutes lend any clue?
Jeff
If the government did it, I guarantee it was cut fiber. That makes it difficult to quickly restore. One has to wonder whats going on there right now that they dont want the world to know about?
-- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
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