RE: Provider feedback Aleron=BAD!
David, We had a circuit through AGIS, who was bought by Telia, who was then bought by Aleron. Their billing practices were utterly terrible. Several months after Aleron aquired the network they informed us that we would now be billed an additional $250/month per /24 that we had with them! Since we had about 16 /24s (well utilized) this was going to effectively multiply our monthly bill by several hundred percent! When I called to clarify (ie. "You're telling me that we must pay almost $1 per month per IP address?!") they basically said "yup, take it or leave it." We left it.. They're still chasing us for the money that we supposedly owe them. The renumbering was hell, but we switched to UUnet. Slightly more expensive, but good service and no crazy extortion attempts! --Dan
I am considering using Aleron (http://www.aleron.com/network) as an internet service provider and wondering if anyone has an opinion on their network, service or it's support.
You can contact me off-list if you like.
David A. Lauer Network Engineer Tristar Communications dalauer@tristarcorp.net
TT> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:10:01 -0600 TT> From: Tech Team1 TT> Since we had about 16 /24s (well utilized) this was going to And you didn't approach ARIN for PI space? Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: A Trap <blacklist@brics.com> To: blacklist@brics.com Subject: Please ignore this portion of my mail signature. These last few lines are a trap for address-harvesting spambots. Do NOT send mail to <blacklist@brics.com>, or you are likely to be blocked.
If they were singly homed to Aleron, technically, they don't qualify. On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, E.B. Dreger wrote:
TT> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:10:01 -0600 TT> From: Tech Team1
TT> Since we had about 16 /24s (well utilized) this was going to
And you didn't approach ARIN for PI space?
Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: A Trap <blacklist@brics.com> To: blacklist@brics.com Subject: Please ignore this portion of my mail signature.
These last few lines are a trap for address-harvesting spambots. Do NOT send mail to <blacklist@brics.com>, or you are likely to be blocked.
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On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 06:56:22PM -0500, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
If they were singly homed to Aleron, technically, they don't qualify.
Alex, Even if they weren't multihomed, they have every right to go to ARIN to request address space (provided they could justify >= a /20 allocation). Being multihomed only helps build the case, but is not a requirement. It's all on their website: http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv4.html#requirements charles
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, E.B. Dreger wrote:
TT> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:10:01 -0600 TT> From: Tech Team1
TT> Since we had about 16 /24s (well utilized) this was going to
And you didn't approach ARIN for PI space?
Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: A Trap <blacklist@brics.com> To: blacklist@brics.com Subject: Please ignore this portion of my mail signature.
These last few lines are a trap for address-harvesting spambots. Do NOT send mail to <blacklist@brics.com>, or you are likely to be blocked.
-- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben -- -- Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net --
RFC 2050 infers something different: 2 Allocation Framework 2.1 Guidelines for Internet Service Providers (ISPs) This document makes a distinction between the allocation of IP addresses and the assignment of IP addresses. Addresses are allocated to ISPs by regional registries to assign to its customer base. ISPs who exchange routing information with other ISPs at multiple locations and operate without default routing may request space directly from the regional registry in its geographical area. ISPs with no designated regional registry may contact any regional registry and the regional registry may either handle the request or refer the request to an appropriate registry. On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Charles H. Gucker wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 06:56:22PM -0500, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
If they were singly homed to Aleron, technically, they don't qualify.
Alex, Even if they weren't multihomed, they have every right to go to ARIN to request address space (provided they could justify >= a /20 allocation). Being multihomed only helps build the case, but is not a requirement.
It's all on their website:
http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv4.html#requirements
charles
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, E.B. Dreger wrote:
TT> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:10:01 -0600 TT> From: Tech Team1
TT> Since we had about 16 /24s (well utilized) this was going to
And you didn't approach ARIN for PI space?
Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: A Trap <blacklist@brics.com> To: blacklist@brics.com Subject: Please ignore this portion of my mail signature.
These last few lines are a trap for address-harvesting spambots. Do NOT send mail to <blacklist@brics.com>, or you are likely to be blocked.
-- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben -- -- Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net --
-- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben -- -- Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net --
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