Is this just a rumor?
I heard a rumor that the InterNic is no longer going to make contact information public. Is this true? If I do a "whois," will I no longer get contact info? Can someone shed light on this rumor? Thanks, Lincoln Silver
On Aug 26, Lincoln Silver <lsilver@flycast.com> wrote:
I heard a rumor that the InterNic is no longer going to make contact information public. Is this true? If I do a "whois," will I no longer get contact info? Can someone shed light on this rumor?
I didn't hear anything like that from the various NSI folks at ISPCON; doesn't mean it isn't true, but I'd say it's unlikely. More likely, this is a misunderstanding of what they /did/ do, which is stop making the zone files for .COM, .NET, and .ORG anonymously FTP'able. If you can prove you've got a good reason to FTP 'em, they'll give you a login and password; I know of a few people who've done it already. For more rumours of this type, check out the inet-access mailing list, <inet-access-request@earth.com>. ********************************************************* J.D. Falk voice: +1-415-482-2840 Supervisor, Network Operations fax: +1-415-482-2844 PRIORI NETWORKS, INC. http://www.priori.net "The People You Know. The People You Trust." *********************************************************
On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, J.D. Falk wrote:
On Aug 26, Lincoln Silver <lsilver@flycast.com> wrote:
I heard a rumor that the InterNic is no longer going to make contact information public. Is this true? If I do a "whois," will I no longer get contact info? Can someone shed light on this rumor?
I didn't hear anything like that from the various NSI folks at ISPCON; doesn't mean it isn't true, but I'd say it's unlikely.
Whois info is available, but not in quantity. It appears that InterNIC will cut connections after dumping too much data out from the same host in "X" period of time. I have not 100% confirmed this, but tests seem to show it.
More likely, this is a misunderstanding of what they /did/ do, which is stop making the zone files for .COM, .NET, and .ORG anonymously FTP'able.
Nor are they axfr-able from anything but F.root-servers.net.
If you can prove you've got a good reason to FTP 'em, they'll give you a login and password; I know of a few people who've done it already.
And sign an NDA.... Robert Nelson President, INTERNOC(tm) rnelson@internoc.com +1.210.299.4662
On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Robert T. Nelson wrote:
If you can prove you've got a good reason to FTP 'em, they'll give you a login and password; I know of a few people who've done it already.
And sign an NDA....
Untrue. I sent a one line description of why I wanted access, which basically amounted to "I just want access" and was quickly provided with a login and password. I signed nothing and made no representations about what else I might do with the data. -- Paul Phillips | Let my people go!!!! Lost Sheep | -- bug report received at PlaySite <paulp@go2net.com> | +1 206 447 1595 |--------* http://www.go2net.com/people/paulp/ *--------
On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Paul Phillips wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Robert T. Nelson wrote:
If you can prove you've got a good reason to FTP 'em, they'll give you a login and password; I know of a few people who've done it already.
And sign an NDA....
Untrue. I sent a one line description of why I wanted access, which basically amounted to "I just want access" and was quickly provided with a login and password. I signed nothing and made no representations about what else I might do with the data.
Sorry, I was not clear. I believe this is the case for the WHOIS data, not the Zone data. (why would you need and NDA for zone data?) Rob Nelson rnelson@internoc.com
It just protects fly-by-night spam houses from doing their evil deeds.. It doesnt really serve a whole lot of good tho, imho, there are new domains that I registered that I'm getting spam sent to , because i'm contact on them ... :/
On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Robert T. Nelson wrote:
If you can prove you've got a good reason to FTP 'em, they'll give you a login and password; I know of a few people who've done it already.
And sign an NDA....
Untrue. I sent a one line description of why I wanted access, which basically amounted to "I just want access" and was quickly provided with a login and password. I signed nothing and made no representations about what else I might do with the data.
-- Paul Phillips | Let my people go!!!! Lost Sheep | -- bug report received at PlaySite <paulp@go2net.com> | +1 206 447 1595 |--------* http://www.go2net.com/people/paulp/ *--------
-- jamie g.k. rishaw dal/efnet:gavroche IAGnet/CICNet/netILLINOIS 'whois JGR2' for PGP keyID/Fingerprint __ Network Operations/TSD DID:216.902.5455 FAX:216.623.3566 \/ 800.637.4IAGx5455 "This isn't a stop light. It's a stop sign." - Scully, X-Files
On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, J.D. Falk wrote:
On Aug 26, Lincoln Silver <lsilver@flycast.com> wrote:
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Whois info is available, but not in quantity. It appears that InterNIC will cut connections after dumping too much data out from the same host in "X" period of time. I have not 100% confirmed this, but tests seem to show it.
They announced it in Tampa. They said they were limiting connections in X period of time because of spam idiots/domain speculators, etc. etc. Generally, abuse. -- Martin Hannigan (hannigan@tiac.net) Voice: 617-932-2000 TIAC - Network Operations Semper Cabalis Manager:Network Engineering www.tiac.net
My advice: believe all hearsay and rumor, especially if they come to you from unknown sources. -OR- Read about it from the NIC web site: www.netsol.com - and maybe call their customer support: I hear they've set up a "Conspiracy Theory Hot-Line" - but that's just a rumor. 1-888-dom-inat On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Lincoln Silver wrote:
I heard a rumor that the InterNic is no longer going to make contact information public. Is this true? If I do a "whois," will I no longer get contact info? Can someone shed light on this rumor?
I've also heard that. Another rumor is that Domain Name Registration is going to now cost $250/year, instead of $50/year. Class C address space is going to cost you $2500/year. The $9.95/month ISPs are out of business. What's this going to do to the small and struggling businesses out there? Class B networks are now going to cost $637500 at that price. So, look for prices on everything to start going up to cover the costs for your upstream providers. Joe Shaw - jshaw@insync.net NetAdmin - Insync Internet Services "Learn more, and you will never starve." - Paraphrase of Lee On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Lincoln Silver wrote:
I heard a rumor that the InterNic is no longer going to make contact information public. Is this true? If I do a "whois," will I no longer get contact info? Can someone shed light on this rumor?
Thanks, Lincoln Silver
On Aug 26, Joe Shaw <jshaw@insync.net> wrote:
I've also heard that. Another rumor is that Domain Name Registration is going to now cost $250/year, instead of $50/year.
Haven't heard that one, but I doubt they'd be that stupid.
Class C address space is going to cost you $2500/year. The $9.95/month ISPs are out of business. What's this going to do to the small and struggling businesses out there? Class B networks are now going to cost $637500 at that price. So, look for prices on everything to start going up to cover the costs for your upstream providers.
That one I have heard. The actual pricing structure in the early ARIN proposals (http://www.arin.net/) was scalable; it was never $2500 per class C unless you're getting them one at a time, in non-contiguous blocks. These kinds of conspiracy theories are on literally dozens of other mailing lists, including NAIPR and PAGAN. Please note the reply-to. ********************************************************* J.D. Falk voice: +1-415-482-2840 Supervisor, Network Operations fax: +1-415-482-2844 PRIORI NETWORKS, INC. http://www.priori.net "The People You Know. The People You Trust." *********************************************************
There was a discussion of ARIN at ISPCON where Kim H. explained the funding policy in great detail to the people present. In this case the $2500/yr is not for each /24 registered but an annual fee paid by the ISP to buy service from ARIN (for one year) for their overall address allocation. If your total allocation is > /24 and < /19 then you only pay $2500 for that year. If it it over that then you pay for whichever tier you fall into. At first glance I thought the policy was somewhat lopsided against an an ISP who is at the low end's of each tier. (n^2 per address bit and all), but the proposal clearly states that this is just their initial guidelines and once ARIN is formed it will be the responsibility of the ISP's who make the effort to join ARIN to set policy, including fees, tiers and renewal rates. Paul Erkkila Frontier IOAC J.D. Falk wrote:
On Aug 26, Joe Shaw <jshaw@insync.net> wrote:
I've also heard that. Another rumor is that Domain Name Registration is going to now cost $250/year, instead of $50/year.
Haven't heard that one, but I doubt they'd be that stupid.
Class C address space is going to cost you $2500/year. The $9.95/month ISPs are out of business. What's this going to do to the small and struggling businesses out there? Class B networks are now going to cost $637500 at that price. So, look for prices on everything to start going up to cover the costs for your upstream providers.
That one I have heard. The actual pricing structure in the early ARIN proposals (http://www.arin.net/) was scalable; it was never $2500 per class C unless you're getting them one at a time, in non-contiguous blocks.
These kinds of conspiracy theories are on literally dozens of other mailing lists, including NAIPR and PAGAN.
Please note the reply-to.
********************************************************* J.D. Falk voice: +1-415-482-2840 Supervisor, Network Operations fax: +1-415-482-2844 PRIORI NETWORKS, INC. http://www.priori.net
"The People You Know. The People You Trust." *********************************************************
There was a discussion of ARIN at ISPCON where Kim H. explained the funding policy in great detail to the people present. In this case the $2500/yr is not for each /24 registered but an annual fee paid by the ISP to buy service from ARIN (for one year) for their overall address allocation. If your total allocation is > /24 and < /19 then you only pay $2500 for that year. If it it over that then you pay for whichever tier you fall into.
People who have /24 - /19 should get IP space from their upstream. It's a lot cheaper for an upstream to pay X,000$ and charge based on the smaller allocations (a big money-saver - turns out to be like $40/yr/"C"). -- jamie g.k. rishaw dal/efnet:gavroche IAGnet/CICNet/netILLINOIS 'whois JGR2' for PGP keyID/Fingerprint __ Network Operations/TSD DID:216.902.5455 FAX:216.623.3566 \/ 800.637.4IAGx5455 "This isn't a stop light. It's a stop sign." - Scully, X-Files
Yeah, I thought that information sounded a bit overboard. Thanks to everyone who cleared that up. Joe Shaw - jshaw@insync.net NetAdmin - Insync Internet Services "Learn more, and you will never starve." - Paraphrase of Lee On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Paul E. Erkkila wrote:
There was a discussion of ARIN at ISPCON where Kim H. explained the funding policy in great detail to the people present. In this case the $2500/yr is not for each /24 registered but an annual fee paid by the ISP to buy service from ARIN (for one year) for their overall address allocation. If your total allocation is > /24 and < /19 then you only pay $2500 for that year. If it it over that then you pay for whichever tier you fall into.
At first glance I thought the policy was somewhat lopsided against an an ISP who is at the low end's of each tier. (n^2 per address bit and all), but the proposal clearly states that this is just their initial guidelines and once ARIN is formed it will be the responsibility of the ISP's who make the effort to join ARIN to set policy, including fees, tiers and renewal rates.
Paul Erkkila Frontier IOAC
J.D. Falk wrote:
On Aug 26, Joe Shaw <jshaw@insync.net> wrote:
I've also heard that. Another rumor is that Domain Name Registration is going to now cost $250/year, instead of $50/year.
Haven't heard that one, but I doubt they'd be that stupid.
Class C address space is going to cost you $2500/year. The $9.95/month ISPs are out of business. What's this going to do to the small and struggling businesses out there? Class B networks are now going to cost $637500 at that price. So, look for prices on everything to start going up to cover the costs for your upstream providers.
That one I have heard. The actual pricing structure in the early ARIN proposals (http://www.arin.net/) was scalable; it was never $2500 per class C unless you're getting them one at a time, in non-contiguous blocks.
These kinds of conspiracy theories are on literally dozens of other mailing lists, including NAIPR and PAGAN.
Please note the reply-to.
********************************************************* J.D. Falk voice: +1-415-482-2840 Supervisor, Network Operations fax: +1-415-482-2844 PRIORI NETWORKS, INC. http://www.priori.net
"The People You Know. The People You Trust." *********************************************************
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J.D. Falk -
jamie＠intuition.iagnet.net -
Jesse M. Caulfield -
Joe Shaw -
Lincoln Silver -
Martin Hannigan -
Paul E. Erkkila -
Paul Phillips -
Robert T. Nelson