RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?
Yes. I've been looking at it and a 7505 with a 3550 behind it seems the way to go for our type of operation.
As a cost cutting alternative - has anyone played with the 2900 XL series using sub interfaces to turn them into virtual router ports ? or vlan groups ? Is it better to just buy a 3550 ?
If you're only doing basic Ethernet-Ethernet routing, and don't need a full routing table, it's quite possible that the 3550 will perform better than either the 6000/Sup1A or the 7505. You might also consider a 3750, which handles a large number of SVIs better than the 3550. (Yes, I'm seriously suggesting using the 3550 or 3750 alone.) Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no
Yes. I've been looking at it and a 7505 with a 3550 behind it seems
It is a great box. But I need BGP. I notice Cisco does not support 7505 with Software Advisor but does 7507 whats the deal with that ? Alexander Hagen Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation 527 Sixth Street No 371261 Montara CA 94037 Main Line: (650)-728-3375 Direct Line: (650) 728-3086 Cell: (650) 740-0650 (Does not work at our office in Montara) Home: (Emgcy or weekends) 650-728-5820 fax: (650) 240-1750 http://www.etheric.net -----Original Message----- From: sthaug@nethelp.no [mailto:sthaug@nethelp.no] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 6:04 AM To: alexander@etheric.net Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ? the
way to go for our type of operation.
As a cost cutting alternative - has anyone played with the 2900 XL series using sub interfaces to turn them into virtual router ports ? or vlan groups ? Is it better to just buy a 3550 ?
If you're only doing basic Ethernet-Ethernet routing, and don't need a full routing table, it's quite possible that the 3550 will perform better than either the 6000/Sup1A or the 7505. You might also consider a 3750, which handles a large number of SVIs better than the 3550. (Yes, I'm seriously suggesting using the 3550 or 3750 alone.) Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no
## On 2004-04-25 06:06 -0700 Alexander Hagen typed: AH> AH> It is a great box. But I need BGP. I notice Cisco does not support 7505 AH> with Software Advisor but does 7507 whats the deal with that ? That would probably be that the 7505 is EOL(End Of Life) <http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps359/prod_eol_notice09186a00801dcba7.html> Cisco Systems® announces the end of life of the Cisco® 7505 Series Router chassis. Note: This end-of-life announcement does not affect the Cisco 7507 and 7513 chassis. The Cisco 7507 and 7513 will remain orderable. The last day to order the Cisco 7505 is June 30, 2004. Customers will continue to receive support from the Cisco Technical Assistance Center (TAC) until June 30, 2009. Table 1 describes the end-of-life milestones, definitions, and dates for the Cisco 7505. Table 2 lists the part numbers for affected products <snipped> -- HTH, Rafi
Specifications Feature Cisco 7505 Cisco 7507 Cisco 7513 Fixed Ports None Same as Cisco 7505 Same as Cisco 7505 Expansion Slots 5 7 13 WAN Interface Range DS0 to OC-12 Same as Cisco 7505 Same as Cisco 7505 Processor MIPS RISC Processor Same as Cisco 7505 Same as Cisco 7505 Forwarding Rate Up to 1.1 Mpps Up to 2.2 Mpps Up to 2.2 Mpps Backplane Capacity 1 Gbps 2 Gbps 2 Gbps Flash PCMCIA Memory 16MB (expandable to 128MB) Same as Cisco 7505 Same as Cisco 7505 System DRAM Memory 32MB (expandable to 1GB) Same as Cisco 7505 Same as Cisco 7505 Minimum Cisco IOS Release 11.3 Same as Cisco 7505 Same as Cisco 7505 Internal Power Supply AC or DC AC, dual AC/DC, or dual DC AC, dual AC/DC, or dual DC Redundant Power Supply Support No Yes Yes Chassis Size 6 RU 13 RU 20 RU Rack Mountable Yes, up to 6 per rack Yes, up to 3 per rack Yes, up to 2 per rack Dimensions (HxWxD) 10.5 x 17.5 x 17 in. 19.25 x 17.5 x 25 in. 33.75 x 17.5 x 22 in. Alexander Hagen Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation 527 Sixth Street No 371261 Montara CA 94037 Main Line: (650)-728-3375 Direct Line: (650) 728-3086 Cell: (650) 740-0650 (Does not work at our office in Montara) Home: (Emgcy or weekends) 650-728-5820 fax: (650) 240-1750 http://www.etheric.net -----Original Message----- From: Rafi Sadowsky [mailto:rafi-nanog@meron.openu.ac.il] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:25 PM To: Alexander Hagen Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no; nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ? ## On 2004-04-25 06:06 -0700 Alexander Hagen typed: AH> AH> It is a great box. But I need BGP. I notice Cisco does not support 7505 AH> with Software Advisor but does 7507 whats the deal with that ? That would probably be that the 7505 is EOL(End Of Life) <http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps359/prod_eol_notice091 86a00801dcba7.html> Cisco SystemsR announces the end of life of the CiscoR 7505 Series Router chassis. Note: This end-of-life announcement does not affect the Cisco 7507 and 7513 chassis. The Cisco 7507 and 7513 will remain orderable. The last day to order the Cisco 7505 is June 30, 2004. Customers will continue to receive support from the Cisco Technical Assistance Center (TAC) until June 30, 2009. Table 1 describes the end-of-life milestones, definitions, and dates for the Cisco 7505. Table 2 lists the part numbers for affected products <snipped> -- HTH, Rafi
Hi Alexander I'm not sure what you're trying to say You asked why the Cisco website tool won't give you a 7505 as a config option I replied that it's EOL - with a quote from Cisco website All I see in the HTML table you sent is that the 7507(or 7513) is better than a 7505 - is there a non-obvious point I missed ? -- Regards Rafi ## On 2004-04-25 06:33 -0700 Alexander Hagen typed: AH> AH> Specifications AH> AH> AH> Feature AH> AH> Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Cisco 7507 AH> AH> Cisco 7513 AH> AH> AH> Fixed Ports AH> AH> None AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> AH> Expansion Slots AH> AH> 5 AH> AH> 7 AH> AH> 13 AH> AH> AH> WAN Interface Range AH> AH> DS0 to OC-12 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> AH> Processor AH> AH> MIPS RISC Processor AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> AH> Forwarding Rate AH> AH> Up to 1.1 Mpps AH> AH> Up to 2.2 Mpps AH> AH> Up to 2.2 Mpps AH> AH> AH> Backplane Capacity AH> AH> 1 Gbps AH> AH> 2 Gbps AH> AH> 2 Gbps AH> AH> AH> Flash PCMCIA Memory AH> AH> 16MB (expandable to 128MB) AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> AH> System DRAM Memory AH> AH> 32MB (expandable to 1GB) AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> AH> Minimum Cisco IOS Release AH> AH> 11.3 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> AH> Internal Power Supply AH> AH> AC or DC AH> AH> AC, dual AC/DC, or dual DC AH> AH> AC, dual AC/DC, or dual DC AH> AH> AH> Redundant Power Supply Support AH> AH> No AH> AH> Yes AH> AH> Yes AH> AH> AH> Chassis Size AH> AH> 6 RU AH> AH> 13 RU AH> AH> 20 RU AH> AH> AH> Rack Mountable AH> AH> Yes, up to 6 per rack AH> AH> Yes, up to 3 per rack AH> AH> Yes, up to 2 per rack AH> AH> AH> Dimensions (HxWxD) AH> AH> 10.5 x 17.5 x 17 in. AH> AH> 19.25 x 17.5 x 25 in. AH> AH> 33.75 x 17.5 x 22 in. AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> Alexander Hagen AH> AH> Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation AH> AH> 527 Sixth Street No 371261 AH> AH> Montara CA 94037 AH> AH> Main Line: (650)-728-3375 AH> AH> Direct Line: (650) 728-3086 AH> AH> Cell: (650) 740-0650 (Does not work at our office in Montara) AH> AH> Home: (Emgcy or weekends) 650-728-5820 AH> AH> fax: (650) 240-1750 AH> AH> http://www.etheric.net AH> AH> AH> AH> -----Original Message----- AH> From: Rafi Sadowsky [mailto:rafi-nanog@meron.openu.ac.il] AH> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:25 PM AH> To: Alexander Hagen AH> Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no; nanog@merit.edu AH> Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 AH> orother vendor ? AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> ## On 2004-04-25 06:06 -0700 Alexander Hagen typed: AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> It is a great box. But I need BGP. I notice Cisco does not support AH> 7505 AH> AH> AH> with Software Advisor but does 7507 whats the deal with that ? AH> AH> AH> AH> That would probably be that the 7505 is EOL(End Of Life) AH> AH> AH> AH> <http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps359/prod_eol_notice091 AH> 86a00801dcba7.html> AH> AH> AH> AH> Cisco SystemsR announces the end of life of the CiscoR 7505 Series AH> Router AH> AH> chassis. Note: This end-of-life announcement does not affect the Cisco AH> AH> 7507 and 7513 chassis. The Cisco 7507 and 7513 will remain orderable. AH> The AH> AH> last day to order the Cisco 7505 is June 30, 2004. Customers will AH> continue AH> AH> to receive support from the Cisco Technical Assistance Center (TAC) AH> until AH> AH> June 30, 2009. Table 1 describes the end-of-life milestones, AH> definitions, AH> AH> and dates for the Cisco 7505. Table 2 lists the part numbers for AH> affected AH> AH> products AH> AH> AH> AH> <snipped> AH> AH> AH> AH>
I was surprised by the similarities between the 7507 and 7513. Why EOL the one device that has a pleasing form factor ? There are MANY providers who would be quite happy with ~ 600 mbps? That's a lot of billings... Alexander Hagen Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation -----Original Message----- From: Rafi Sadowsky [mailto:rafi-nanog@meron.openu.ac.il] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 9:38 PM To: Alexander Hagen Cc: 'Rafi Sadowsky'; North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ? Hi Alexander I'm not sure what you're trying to say You asked why the Cisco website tool won't give you a 7505 as a config option I replied that it's EOL - with a quote from Cisco website All I see in the HTML table you sent is that the 7507(or 7513) is better than a 7505 - is there a non-obvious point I missed ? -- Regards Rafi ## On 2004-04-25 06:33 -0700 Alexander Hagen typed: AH> AH> Specifications AH> AH> AH> Feature AH> AH> Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Cisco 7507 AH> AH> Cisco 7513 AH> AH> AH> Fixed Ports AH> AH> None AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> AH> Expansion Slots AH> AH> 5 AH> AH> 7 AH> AH> 13 AH> AH> AH> WAN Interface Range AH> AH> DS0 to OC-12 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> AH> Processor AH> AH> MIPS RISC Processor AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> AH> Forwarding Rate AH> AH> Up to 1.1 Mpps AH> AH> Up to 2.2 Mpps AH> AH> Up to 2.2 Mpps AH> AH> AH> Backplane Capacity AH> AH> 1 Gbps AH> AH> 2 Gbps AH> AH> 2 Gbps AH> AH> AH> Flash PCMCIA Memory AH> AH> 16MB (expandable to 128MB) AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> AH> System DRAM Memory AH> AH> 32MB (expandable to 1GB) AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> AH> Minimum Cisco IOS Release AH> AH> 11.3 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> Same as Cisco 7505 AH> AH> AH> Internal Power Supply AH> AH> AC or DC AH> AH> AC, dual AC/DC, or dual DC AH> AH> AC, dual AC/DC, or dual DC AH> AH> AH> Redundant Power Supply Support AH> AH> No AH> AH> Yes AH> AH> Yes AH> AH> AH> Chassis Size AH> AH> 6 RU AH> AH> 13 RU AH> AH> 20 RU AH> AH> AH> Rack Mountable AH> AH> Yes, up to 6 per rack AH> AH> Yes, up to 3 per rack AH> AH> Yes, up to 2 per rack AH> AH> AH> Dimensions (HxWxD) AH> AH> 10.5 x 17.5 x 17 in. AH> AH> 19.25 x 17.5 x 25 in. AH> AH> 33.75 x 17.5 x 22 in. AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> Alexander Hagen AH> AH> Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation AH> AH> 527 Sixth Street No 371261 AH> AH> Montara CA 94037 AH> AH> Main Line: (650)-728-3375 AH> AH> Direct Line: (650) 728-3086 AH> AH> Cell: (650) 740-0650 (Does not work at our office in Montara) AH> AH> Home: (Emgcy or weekends) 650-728-5820 AH> AH> fax: (650) 240-1750 AH> AH> http://www.etheric.net AH> AH> AH> AH> -----Original Message----- AH> From: Rafi Sadowsky [mailto:rafi-nanog@meron.openu.ac.il] AH> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:25 PM AH> To: Alexander Hagen AH> Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no; nanog@merit.edu AH> Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 AH> orother vendor ? AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> ## On 2004-04-25 06:06 -0700 Alexander Hagen typed: AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> AH> It is a great box. But I need BGP. I notice Cisco does not support AH> 7505 AH> AH> AH> with Software Advisor but does 7507 whats the deal with that ? AH> AH> AH> AH> That would probably be that the 7505 is EOL(End Of Life) AH> AH> AH> AH> <http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps359/prod_eol_notice091 AH> 86a00801dcba7.html> AH> AH> AH> AH> Cisco SystemsR announces the end of life of the CiscoR 7505 Series AH> Router AH> AH> chassis. Note: This end-of-life announcement does not affect the Cisco AH> AH> 7507 and 7513 chassis. The Cisco 7507 and 7513 will remain orderable. AH> The AH> AH> last day to order the Cisco 7505 is June 30, 2004. Customers will AH> continue AH> AH> to receive support from the Cisco Technical Assistance Center (TAC) AH> until AH> AH> June 30, 2009. Table 1 describes the end-of-life milestones, AH> definitions, AH> AH> and dates for the Cisco 7505. Table 2 lists the part numbers for AH> affected AH> AH> products AH> AH> AH> AH> <snipped> AH> AH> AH> AH>
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Alexander Hagen wrote:
I was surprised by the similarities between the 7507 and 7513. Why EOL the one device that has a pleasing form factor ? There are MANY providers who would be quite happy with ~ 600 mbps? That's a lot of billings...
From past experience there is no way you can get a 7507 to switch 600Mbps..
As for EOL, not sure.. the only deployments I've seen lately of 75xx have been as aggregators for WAN circuits and theres usually a GSR doing the work behind it, perhaps people are still buying 7513s for their card capacity? Steve
Alexander Hagen Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation
-----Original Message----- From: Rafi Sadowsky [mailto:rafi-nanog@meron.openu.ac.il] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 9:38 PM To: Alexander Hagen Cc: 'Rafi Sadowsky'; North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?
Hi Alexander
I'm not sure what you're trying to say You asked why the Cisco website tool won't give you a 7505 as a config option I replied that it's EOL - with a quote from Cisco website
All I see in the HTML table you sent is that the 7507(or 7513) is better than a 7505 - is there a non-obvious point I missed ?
## On 2004-04-26 10:31 +0100 Stephen J. Wilcox typed: SJW> On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Alexander Hagen wrote: SJW> SJW> > I was surprised by the similarities between the 7507 and 7513. Why EOL SJW> > the one device that has a pleasing form factor ? There are MANY SJW> > providers who would be quite happy with ~ 600 mbps? That's a lot of SJW> > billings... SJW> SJW> >From past experience there is no way you can get a 7507 to switch 600Mbps.. SJW> I'm not sure who wrote the above line - but since the 7507 and 7513 are basically the same(other than the number of slots) the (long)appended stats are from a 7513 that exceeds 600Mbps every day ================ Traffic aggregate MRTG stats (24 hours of 5 minute averages) Max In: 718.5 Mb/s (44.4%) Average In: 427.0 Mb/s (26.4%) Current In: 426.4 Mb/s (26.4%) Max Out: 636.6 Mb/s (39.4%) Average Out: 382.9 Mb/s (23.7%) Current Out: 383.6 Mb/s (23.7%) === C7513>sh hard Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) RSP Software (RSP-K3PV-M), Version 12.0(19)S4, EARLY DEPLOYMENT RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) TAC Support: http://www.cisco.com/tac Copyright (c) 1986-2003 by cisco Systems, Inc. Compiled Tue 24-Jun-03 15:04 by nmasa Image text-base: 0x60010968, data-base: 0x60E66000 ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 12.0(10r)S1, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) BOOTLDR: RSP Software (RSP-K3PV-M), Version 12.0(19)S4, EARLY DEPLOYMENT RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) C7513 uptime is 32 weeks, 21 hours, 16 minutes System returned to ROM by reload at 03:14:23 IDT Tue Sep 16 2003 System restarted at 02:15:58 IST Tue Sep 16 2003 System image file is "slot0:rsp-k3pv-mz.120-19.S4.bin" Host configuration file is "tftp://CENSORED/XXX/C7513-confg" cisco RSP8 (R7000) processor with 131072K/8216K bytes of memory. R7000 CPU at 250Mhz, Implementation 39, Rev 1.0, 256KB L2, 2048KB L3 Cache Last reset from power-on G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0. G.703/JT2 software, Version 1.0. X.25 software, Version 3.0.0. Chassis Interface. 1 VIP2 R5K controller (1 FastEthernet). 7 VIP4-80 RM7000 controllers (12 Serial)(5 ATM)(6 POS). 1 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) 12 Serial network interface(s) 5 ATM network interface(s) 6 Packet over SONET network interface(s) 2043K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory. 20480K bytes of Flash PCMCIA card at slot 0 (Sector size 128K). 16384K bytes of Flash internal SIMM (Sector size 256K). No slave installed in slot 7. Configuration register is 0x102 C7513>sh proc cpu | exc 0\.00%__0 CPU utilization for five seconds: 0%/0%; one minute: 1%; five minutes: 1% PID Runtime(ms) Invoked uSecs 5Sec 1Min 5Min TTY Process 47 27767224 429797799 64 0.08% 0.09% 0.08% 0 IP Input C7513>sh contr vip all t | inc ^(CPU|VIP) VIP-Slot0 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 44%/43%; one minute: 43%; five minutes: 42% VIP-Slot1 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 1%/0%; one minute: 0%; five minutes: 0% VIP-Slot2 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 46%/45%; one minute: 48%; five minutes: 49% VIP-Slot3 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 13%/12%; one minute: 13%; five minutes: 13% VIP-Slot8 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 60%/60%; one minute: 61%; five minutes: 62% VIP-Slot9 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 48%/48%; one minute: 49%; five minutes: 49% VIP-Slot10 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 4%/3%; one minute: 4%; five minutes: 4% VIP-Slot11 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 14%/14%; one minute: 13%; five minutes: 13% C7513> sh int | inc (_rate_[1-9]|^[A-Z][A-Za-z]+[0-9]+/[0-9]+/[0-9]+_.*line_protocol_is_up) ATM0/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 30 second input rate 37934000 bits/sec, 10756 packets/sec 30 second output rate 45111000 bits/sec, 12439 packets/sec POS0/1/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 17340000 bits/sec, 4829 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 59077000 bits/sec, 17200 packets/sec FastEthernet1/1/0 is up, line protocol is up ATM2/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 30 second input rate 69443000 bits/sec, 21261 packets/sec 30 second output rate 67462000 bits/sec, 17687 packets/sec ATM2/1/0 is up, line protocol is up 30 second input rate 20964000 bits/sec, 4081 packets/sec 30 second output rate 11640000 bits/sec, 3242 packets/sec Serial3/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 9625000 bits/sec, 2163 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 9327000 bits/sec, 2131 packets/sec Serial3/0/1 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 9464000 bits/sec, 1927 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 4633000 bits/sec, 1405 packets/sec POS3/1/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 3644000 bits/sec, 1224 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 9975000 bits/sec, 2373 packets/sec POS8/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 54550000 bits/sec, 16995 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 70377000 bits/sec, 22190 packets/sec POS8/1/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 88494000 bits/sec, 23607 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 23628000 bits/sec, 7202 packets/sec POS9/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 4060000 bits/sec, 1353 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 9584000 bits/sec, 2312 packets/sec POS9/1/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 97107000 bits/sec, 30532 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 79858000 bits/sec, 23298 packets/sec ATM10/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 30 second input rate 3245000 bits/sec, 867 packets/sec 30 second output rate 2352000 bits/sec, 780 packets/sec Serial10/1/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 1112000 bits/sec, 445 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 5135000 bits/sec, 1466 packets/sec ATM11/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 30 second input rate 6098000 bits/sec, 2235 packets/sec 30 second output rate 40164000 bits/sec, 11379 packets/sec Serial11/1/0 is up, line protocol is up Serial11/1/1 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 168000 bits/sec, 48 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 343000 bits/sec, 90 packets/sec C7513>
That's putting your money where your mouth is ! Yowzuh! Alexander Hagen Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation 527 Sixth Street No 371261 Montara CA 94037 Main Line: (650)-728-3375 Direct Line: (650) 728-3086 Cell: (650) 740-0650 (Does not work at our office in Montara) Home: (Emgcy or weekends) 650-728-5820 fax: (650) 240-1750 http://www.etheric.net -----Original Message----- From: Rafi Sadowsky [mailto:rafi-nanog@meron.openu.ac.il] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:57 PM To: Alexander Hagen Cc: 'North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes' Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ? ## On 2004-04-26 10:31 +0100 Stephen J. Wilcox typed: SJW> On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Alexander Hagen wrote: SJW> SJW> > I was surprised by the similarities between the 7507 and 7513. Why EOL SJW> > the one device that has a pleasing form factor ? There are MANY SJW> > providers who would be quite happy with ~ 600 mbps? That's a lot of SJW> > billings... SJW> SJW> >From past experience there is no way you can get a 7507 to switch 600Mbps.. SJW> I'm not sure who wrote the above line - but since the 7507 and 7513 are basically the same(other than the number of slots) the (long)appended stats are from a 7513 that exceeds 600Mbps every day ================ Traffic aggregate MRTG stats (24 hours of 5 minute averages) Max In: 718.5 Mb/s (44.4%) Average In: 427.0 Mb/s (26.4%) Current In: 426.4 Mb/s (26.4%) Max Out: 636.6 Mb/s (39.4%) Average Out: 382.9 Mb/s (23.7%) Current Out: 383.6 Mb/s (23.7%) === C7513>sh hard Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) RSP Software (RSP-K3PV-M), Version 12.0(19)S4, EARLY DEPLOYMENT RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) TAC Support: http://www.cisco.com/tac Copyright (c) 1986-2003 by cisco Systems, Inc. Compiled Tue 24-Jun-03 15:04 by nmasa Image text-base: 0x60010968, data-base: 0x60E66000 ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 12.0(10r)S1, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) BOOTLDR: RSP Software (RSP-K3PV-M), Version 12.0(19)S4, EARLY DEPLOYMENT RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) C7513 uptime is 32 weeks, 21 hours, 16 minutes System returned to ROM by reload at 03:14:23 IDT Tue Sep 16 2003 System restarted at 02:15:58 IST Tue Sep 16 2003 System image file is "slot0:rsp-k3pv-mz.120-19.S4.bin" Host configuration file is "tftp://CENSORED/XXX/C7513-confg" cisco RSP8 (R7000) processor with 131072K/8216K bytes of memory. R7000 CPU at 250Mhz, Implementation 39, Rev 1.0, 256KB L2, 2048KB L3 Cache Last reset from power-on G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0. G.703/JT2 software, Version 1.0. X.25 software, Version 3.0.0. Chassis Interface. 1 VIP2 R5K controller (1 FastEthernet). 7 VIP4-80 RM7000 controllers (12 Serial)(5 ATM)(6 POS). 1 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) 12 Serial network interface(s) 5 ATM network interface(s) 6 Packet over SONET network interface(s) 2043K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory. 20480K bytes of Flash PCMCIA card at slot 0 (Sector size 128K). 16384K bytes of Flash internal SIMM (Sector size 256K). No slave installed in slot 7. Configuration register is 0x102 C7513>sh proc cpu | exc 0\.00%__0 CPU utilization for five seconds: 0%/0%; one minute: 1%; five minutes: 1% PID Runtime(ms) Invoked uSecs 5Sec 1Min 5Min TTY Process 47 27767224 429797799 64 0.08% 0.09% 0.08% 0 IP Input C7513>sh contr vip all t | inc ^(CPU|VIP) VIP-Slot0 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 44%/43%; one minute: 43%; five minutes: 42% VIP-Slot1 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 1%/0%; one minute: 0%; five minutes: 0% VIP-Slot2 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 46%/45%; one minute: 48%; five minutes: 49% VIP-Slot3 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 13%/12%; one minute: 13%; five minutes: 13% VIP-Slot8 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 60%/60%; one minute: 61%; five minutes: 62% VIP-Slot9 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 48%/48%; one minute: 49%; five minutes: 49% VIP-Slot10 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 4%/3%; one minute: 4%; five minutes: 4% VIP-Slot11 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes CPU utilization for five seconds: 14%/14%; one minute: 13%; five minutes: 13% C7513> sh int | inc (_rate_[1-9]|^[A-Z][A-Za-z]+[0-9]+/[0-9]+/[0-9]+_.*line_protocol_is_up) ATM0/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 30 second input rate 37934000 bits/sec, 10756 packets/sec 30 second output rate 45111000 bits/sec, 12439 packets/sec POS0/1/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 17340000 bits/sec, 4829 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 59077000 bits/sec, 17200 packets/sec FastEthernet1/1/0 is up, line protocol is up ATM2/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 30 second input rate 69443000 bits/sec, 21261 packets/sec 30 second output rate 67462000 bits/sec, 17687 packets/sec ATM2/1/0 is up, line protocol is up 30 second input rate 20964000 bits/sec, 4081 packets/sec 30 second output rate 11640000 bits/sec, 3242 packets/sec Serial3/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 9625000 bits/sec, 2163 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 9327000 bits/sec, 2131 packets/sec Serial3/0/1 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 9464000 bits/sec, 1927 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 4633000 bits/sec, 1405 packets/sec POS3/1/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 3644000 bits/sec, 1224 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 9975000 bits/sec, 2373 packets/sec POS8/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 54550000 bits/sec, 16995 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 70377000 bits/sec, 22190 packets/sec POS8/1/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 88494000 bits/sec, 23607 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 23628000 bits/sec, 7202 packets/sec POS9/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 4060000 bits/sec, 1353 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 9584000 bits/sec, 2312 packets/sec POS9/1/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 97107000 bits/sec, 30532 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 79858000 bits/sec, 23298 packets/sec ATM10/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 30 second input rate 3245000 bits/sec, 867 packets/sec 30 second output rate 2352000 bits/sec, 780 packets/sec Serial10/1/0 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 1112000 bits/sec, 445 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 5135000 bits/sec, 1466 packets/sec ATM11/0/0 is up, line protocol is up 30 second input rate 6098000 bits/sec, 2235 packets/sec 30 second output rate 40164000 bits/sec, 11379 packets/sec Serial11/1/0 is up, line protocol is up Serial11/1/1 is up, line protocol is up 5 minute input rate 168000 bits/sec, 48 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 343000 bits/sec, 90 packets/sec C7513>
"Alexander Hagen" <alexander@etheric.net> writes:
I was surprised by the similarities between the 7507 and 7513. Why EOL the one device that has a pleasing form factor ? There are MANY providers who would be quite happy with ~ 600 mbps? That's a lot of billings...
I think there are long-term contracts with certain Big Customers (tm) that preclude EOLing the 7507 and the 7513, else they would be EOL as well. Just a guess though. The AGS+ was manufactured in small quantities for many years after commercial sales for all intents and purposes ceased, to support these same customers. ---Rob
Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
The AGS+ was manufactured in small quantities for many years after
commercial sales for all intents and purposes ceased, to support these same customers.
How much common components / manufacturing did TGS share with AGS? Pete
Petri Helenius <pete@he.iki.fi> writes:
Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
The AGS+ was manufactured in small quantities for many years after
commercial sales for all intents and purposes ceased, to support these same customers.
How much common components / manufacturing did TGS share with AGS?
Certainly not the bent steel (those TGSes were an instant hernia in a box!), and I think the appliques were actually different assemblies, not just funky passthroughs. And of course, power line filtering was different on the TGS. Aside from that, though... the guts were pretty darned similar, probably identical. I've certainly swapped boards between [AT]GS systems with impunity (we weren't worried about maintaining our certification!). Yours for router necromancy and GS2-R... ---Rob
On 26 Apr 2004, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
Aside from that, though... the guts were pretty darned similar, probably identical. I've certainly swapped boards between [AT]GS systems with impunity (we weren't worried about maintaining our certification!).
Yours for router necromancy and GS2-R...
Having seen the Juniper router which has PICs sawn down the middle of the PCBs to fit and homemade faceplates, nothing much surprises me.. :) Steve
"Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve@telecomplete.co.uk> writes:
On 26 Apr 2004, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
Aside from that, though... the guts were pretty darned similar, probably identical. I've certainly swapped boards between [AT]GS systems with impunity (we weren't worried about maintaining our certification!).
Yours for router necromancy and GS2-R...
Having seen the Juniper router which has PICs sawn down the middle of the PCBs to fit and homemade faceplates, nothing much surprises me.. :)
I will have you know that I had nothing to do with *that* escapade, except as an ex-post-facto amused observer. ---Rob
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