All, I'm considering using Broadwing for some IP transport and am interested in hearing feedback from anyone else who is currently using them. Reliable/Unreliable, Good service? Hansel E. Lee Jr. Director of IP Engineering Western Integrated Networks, LLC ( WINfirst <http://www.winfirst.com> ) 2000 S Colorado Blvd, 2-800 Denver, CO 80222 (303) 407-1685 (office) (303) 601-1174 (cell) (978) 246-0378 (fax)
Just remember that Broadwing is not actually a Tier 1 provider. They are a Tier 2 striving to become a Tier 1. When I was looking at them, I found that you could obtain just as good or better pricing from an actual Tier 1 provider. Check out Exodus, Verio, and Genuity. Last I checked they were offering some seriously competitive pricing on OCs. K -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Hansel E. Lee Jr. Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 8:59 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Broadwing Sensitivity: Confidential All, I'm considering using Broadwing for some IP transport and am interested in hearing feedback from anyone else who is currently using them. Reliable/Unreliable, Good service? Hansel E. Lee Jr. Director of IP Engineering Western Integrated Networks, LLC ( WINfirst <http://www.winfirst.com> ) 2000 S Colorado Blvd, 2-800 Denver, CO 80222 (303) 407-1685 (office) (303) 601-1174 (cell) (978) 246-0378 (fax)
[snip. Mr. Hansel Lee asks for comments about Broadwing's service]
Just remember that Broadwing is not actually a Tier 1 provider. They are a Tier 2 striving to become a Tier 1.
<banging head against the wall> Can we repeat this one more time: Tiers. Don't. Exist. [And if anyone thinks I'm starting that !@#$ thread again (which I am most definately *not*), just remember this: http://webhome.idirect.com/~peterp/chat.jpg ]
When I was looking at them, I found that you could obtain just as good or better pricing from an actual Tier 1 provider. Check out Exodus, Verio, and Genuity.
I think the more pertinent question should be more of "Which provider should you choose that will not be going out of business in the next six months?"
Last I checked they were offering some seriously competitive pricing on OCs.
That's because they are desperate for any type of customer at this point. Gotte Chapter 11 coming? Rachel -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit. - Virgil, The Aeneid.
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Karyn Ulriksen wrote:
Just remember that Broadwing is not actually a Tier 1 provider. They are a Tier 2 striving to become a Tier 1. When I was looking at them, I found that you could obtain just as good or better pricing from an actual Tier 1 provider. Check out Exodus, Verio, and Genuity. Last I checked they were offering some seriously competitive pricing on OCs.
what does Tier1 have to do with anything? it JUST might be a good thing to be able to have a default route to another player if things start breaking. the other providers are good, but i dont think tier1,2,3 matter anymore. what should matter is how they are connected and if they will have latency on any of their links or links to other players. Christian
Are any of those 3 going to be in business for long? I visited their DC operations center (Broadwing) in a recent RFP round... We were left disapointed. The site was very poor, fiber loops draped on the floor that anyone could snag or trample. Plus their techs were walking about with open drink containers - which left us a little uneasy... roll into that that it is only manned 5x12 with pager support after hours - left us with ruling them out of serious consideration... On Jul 27, 2001 Karyn Ulriksen spake:
Just remember that Broadwing is not actually a Tier 1 provider. They are a Tier 2 striving to become a Tier 1. When I was looking at them, I found that you could obtain just as good or better pricing from an actual Tier 1 provider. Check out Exodus, Verio, and Genuity. Last I checked they were offering some seriously competitive pricing on OCs.
K
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Hansel E. Lee Jr. Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 8:59 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Broadwing Sensitivity: Confidential
All,
I'm considering using Broadwing for some IP transport and am interested in hearing feedback from anyone else who is currently using them. Reliable/Unreliable, Good service?
Hansel E. Lee Jr. Director of IP Engineering Western Integrated Networks, LLC ( WINfirst <http://www.winfirst.com> ) 2000 S Colorado Blvd, 2-800 Denver, CO 80222 (303) 407-1685 (office) (303) 601-1174 (cell) (978) 246-0378 (fax)
-- Rich Sena - ras@thick.net ThickNET Consulting "On the way to understanding; you understand, and forget."
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Hansel E. Lee Jr. wrote:
All,
I'm considering using Broadwing for some IP transport and am interested in hearing feedback from anyone else who is currently using them. Reliable/Unreliable, Good service?
We had 2 T1's from Broadwing in the East SF Bay, but we replaced them because of pitiful connectivity to non-Broadwing connected sites, including (and most seriously) our production colo cage at GlobalCenter, and our other offices which had UUNet T's. We never got anyone willing to fix the problem, or who could even tell us why connections were constantly dropped, packet loss was exceeding 80%, and latency was through the roof. But then, you said you were looking for OC3/OC12. Maybe they treat bigger circuit customers better than they treated us. -j -- -Jonathan Disher -Sr. Systems and Network Engineer -Internet Pictures Corporation, San Ramon, CA -[v] (650) 280-4833 | [p] (877) 446-9311 | [e] jdisher@eng.ipix.com
In the referenced message, Hansel E. Lee Jr. said:
All,
I'm considering using Broadwing for some IP transport and am interested in hearing feedback from anyone else who is currently using them. Reliable/Unreliable, Good service?
Hansel E. Lee Jr. Director of IP Engineering
Please try inet-access or isp-services, instead. NANOG isn't the place to shop for providers.
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