Let's remember, this is regarding Cisco's consumer grade routers (formerly linksys) which are primarily intended for connecting small networks (homes, offices) to the internet over some type of broadband connection. Can they be used. On a network with no internet connectivity? Sure. But this, as I'm sure many will agree, is not the environment in which they were intended to be deployed. Nor do I believe are they marketed as such. - Ed ------Original Message------ From: Jon Lewis To: Sean Harlow Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cisco Update Sent: Jul 5, 2012 12:42 PM On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Sean Harlow wrote:

On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:24, Joe Greco wrote:

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And what happens when your *cough* "router" isn't actually on the Internet? How can it be managed and upgraded on a regular old network?

If there is no internet connection, you get a very limited page that's apparently only really good to get you back online.

Routers are sometimes used on networks that don't have internet connectivity [by design]. This seems amazingly short-sighted for a company that's been around selling routing gear as long as cisco. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________