RE: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!
Your right about having the right tools whats a manhole hook cost $50 -carlos -----Original Message----- From: Daryl G. Jurbala [mailto:daryl@introspect.net] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:37 AM To: Charles Wyble Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes! On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Charles Wyble wrote:
3) From what I understand it's not trivial to raise a manhole cover. Most likely can't be done by one person. Can they be locked? Or were the carriers simply relying on obscurity/barrier to entry?
Your understanding is incorrect. I'm an average sized guy and I can pull a manhole cover with one hand on the right tool. It might take 2 hands if it hasn't been opened recently and has lots of pebbles and dirt jammed in around it. It's like everything else: if you know how to do it, and you have the right tool, it's simple. And, yes, you can get lockable manhole covers. They aren't cheap. McGuard make a popular one. (Yes, yes...why would I possibly know any of this.....I'm a fire marshal in a small town as a part time gig, so I have to deal with this kind of thing on a reasonably regular basis) Daryl
Cones, hard hat, vest, and a hook (maybe a party light and a borrowed ladder on your truck for good measure) costs under $400. The real cost of the fiber is not the cable, it's securing the path using underground or aerial construction. In our shop's mostly-rural service area, that's over 80% of the cost of a build versus fiber cable, splicing or CPE hardware. Urban areas is even higher percentage. Of course providers need proper engineering and electronics to maintain service coverage if somebody does cut your stuff. I can think of a few shops where this is the toughest part. -D On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Carlos Alcantar <carlos@race.com> wrote:
Your right about having the right tools whats a manhole hook cost $50
-carlos
I've had pretty good luck when necessary using a large screwdriver, a claw hammer, or a small crow-bar. I know others who claim it can be done with a spade, pick-axe, etc. although I have not tested those implements. Owen On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Your right about having the right tools whats a manhole hook cost $50
-carlos
-----Original Message----- From: Daryl G. Jurbala [mailto:daryl@introspect.net] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:37 AM To: Charles Wyble Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!
On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Charles Wyble wrote:
3) From what I understand it's not trivial to raise a manhole cover. Most likely can't be done by one person. Can they be locked? Or were the carriers simply relying on obscurity/barrier to entry?
Your understanding is incorrect. I'm an average sized guy and I can pull a manhole cover with one hand on the right tool. It might take 2 hands if it hasn't been opened recently and has lots of pebbles and dirt jammed in around it. It's like everything else: if you know how to do it, and you have the right tool, it's simple.
And, yes, you can get lockable manhole covers. They aren't cheap. McGuard make a popular one.
(Yes, yes...why would I possibly know any of this.....I'm a fire marshal in a small town as a part time gig, so I have to deal with this kind of thing on a reasonably regular basis)
Daryl
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Your right about having the right tools whats a manhole hook cost $50
Less than half that. http://www.toolup.com/condux/08023000.html -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Your right about having the right tools whats a manhole hook cost $50
Less than half that. http://www.toolup.com/condux/08023000.html
And maybe even less than half *that*. You don't actually need the tool in many cases. A good bit of rebar (trivially found at many construction sites), a prybar, a heavy screwdriver, threaded rod, the trick is just to get the thing out of its rim. Specialized tools are for those who are doing it every day. I suspect that the person responsible did not go out and buy a hook, so this may be pointless anyways. :-) ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
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