New Alert :: Whens the 'Net the target?
Do you think there will be an Internet component to one of these, someday? http://www.msnbc.com/news/633205.asp ========================================================================== Eric Germann CCTec ekgermann@cctec.com Van Wert OH 45801 http://www.cctec.com Ph: 419 968 2640 Fax: 603 825 5893 "It is so easy to miss pretty trivial solutions to problems deemed complicated. The goal of a scientist is to find an interesting problem, and live off it for a while. The goal of an engineer is to evade interesting problems :)" -- Vadim Antonov <avg@kotovnik.com> on NANOG
(no offense to the poster, someone was bound to post..) I see this thread getting long and entirely off topic for nanog. I've setup a list for discussions such as this, and any type of physical attack (although I guess regular DOS could be on topic) at the internet infrastruture, as this could go on for a while... http://www.exobit.org/mailman/listinfo/net-attacks for info. Let's try and keep nanog more operational? Jeff On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 06:17:09PM -0500, Eric Germann typed:
Do you think there will be an Internet component to one of these, someday?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/633205.asp
========================================================================== Eric Germann CCTec ekgermann@cctec.com Van Wert OH 45801 http://www.cctec.com Ph: 419 968 2640 Fax: 603 825 5893
"It is so easy to miss pretty trivial solutions to problems deemed complicated. The goal of a scientist is to find an interesting problem, and live off it for a while. The goal of an engineer is to evade interesting problems :)" -- Vadim Antonov <avg@kotovnik.com> on NANOG
Some folks have been developing a method for ISPs and the US Government to exchange warnings and alert information for several months (long before September 11). One of the functions of the ISP-ISAC includes passing information which may affect the operations of ISPs. This would be similar to information already provided to the banking and telephone industries. On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Jeffrey Meltzer wrote:
(no offense to the poster, someone was bound to post..)
I see this thread getting long and entirely off topic for nanog. I've setup a list for discussions such as this, and any type of physical attack (although I guess regular DOS could be on topic) at the internet infrastruture, as this could go on for a while...
http://www.exobit.org/mailman/listinfo/net-attacks for info.
Let's try and keep nanog more operational?
Jeff
On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 06:17:09PM -0500, Eric Germann typed:
Do you think there will be an Internet component to one of these, someday?
and ISP-ISAC has done ..... ? we - our community - have not been very effective when it comes to "collective organization." Nothing against the objective of ISP-ISAC (someone in is trying to get me to put some brain cycles on ISP-ISAC's evolution). The reality is that our community's history demonstrates that collective ISP work through any group is hard.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Sean Donelan Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 6:18 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: New Alert :: Whens the 'Net the target?
Some folks have been developing a method for ISPs and the US Government to exchange warnings and alert information for several months (long before September 11). One of the functions of the ISP-ISAC includes passing information which may affect the operations of ISPs. This would be similar to information already provided to the banking and telephone industries.
(no offense to the poster, someone was bound to post..)
I see this thread getting long and entirely off topic for nanog. I've setup a list for discussions such as this, and any type of
(although I guess regular DOS could be on topic) at the internet infrastruture, as this could go on for a while...
http://www.exobit.org/mailman/listinfo/net-attacks for info.
Let's try and keep nanog more operational?
Jeff
On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 06:17:09PM -0500, Eric Germann typed:
Do you think there will be an Internet component to one of
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Jeffrey Meltzer wrote: physical attack these, someday?
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Barry Raveendran Greene wrote:
and ISP-ISAC has done ..... ? we - our community - have not been very effective when it comes to "collective organization."
Since IOPS and folks are still trying to get the organization bylaws finalized, not much.
Nothing against the objective of ISP-ISAC (someone in is trying to get me to put some brain cycles on ISP-ISAC's evolution). The reality is that our community's history demonstrates that collective ISP work through any group is hard.
I agree. But I'd rather set up a sacrificial neck for the government to wring instead of letting the beaucrats pick one at random.
Randy Bush wrote:
I agree. But I'd rather set up a sacrificial neck for the government to wring instead of letting the beaucrats pick one at random.
couldn't think of a better one than IOPS, years of hot air and doing nothing real.
randy
Don't worry - the authorities themselves will find the goat and hang it ! At random ! Bigger is better - here they went after Compuserve at the time. They only need one ! Been there, experienced that. No idea what IOPS is but is sounds so familiar to similar experiences here. That's BTW about 5 years ago. Some of us in certain parts of Europe (DE) went through this a few years ago - at least we had a good lawyer here to follow, track the stuff they were at and finally convince the equivalent of your highest big DA (apologies - forgot the US terminology right now) to a) forget the simplistic approach b) to accept a consensus of what was technically possible. To my own surprise it worked............after a few goats got hung.. Needless to say it cost time, effort and money and a lot of suffering for some individuals. What's my point; one can only ingore the law, be it good or bad, so long but at the end as an *SP (broadly defined) regardless of where on the planet you operate, you will have to try to conform. But - you need an org. of some sort to articulate what is possible and not - go for it ! Or a good lobby group.... Dave
On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Dave Morton wrote:
Randy Bush wrote:
I agree. But I'd rather set up a sacrificial neck for the government to wring instead of letting the beaucrats pick one at random.
couldn't think of a better one than IOPS, years of hot air and doing nothing real.
Don't worry - the authorities themselves will find the goat and hang it !
I hope ISP-ISAC will be a useful organization for operators. We are trying to include the functions operators said they needed. If you are an operator, and you think there is an information sharing piece which would make it a useful organization, join us. Tell us what you want. Kelly's presentation and links are on the NANOG web site. On the other hand, if the ISP-ISAC serves no other purpose than keeping the M.I.B. from bothering network operators unecessarily, it may be worth it.
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