Re: anybody else been spammed by "no-ip.com" yet?
I hate to sound like the big idiot here, but what exactly in the email you received indicates no-ip.com spammed? It looks to me like you just have some secret "admirer" who thought you wanted a no-ip.com account, and no-ip.com emailed you to confirm that you do want the account.
spam is like pollution in that (a) whenever you're not sure if you're doing it, you probably are, and (b) if everybody did whatever it is, life would be universally worse for, well, everybody.
Random disclaimer: Yes, we're a competitor of no-ip.com's... And yes, we used to send similar emails to people signing up for an account, although nowadays instead of sending them an initial password we send a confirm URL instead.
that's the right approach. no-ip's problem was they presumed my permission.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Vixie Sent: May 3, 2002 5:18 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: anybody else been spammed by "no-ip.com" yet?
I hate to sound like the big idiot here, but what exactly in the email you received indicates no-ip.com spammed? It looks to me like you just have some secret "admirer" who thought you wanted a no-ip.com account, and no-ip.com emailed you to confirm that you do want the account.
spam is like pollution in that (a) whenever you're not sure if you're doing it, you probably are, and (b) if everybody did whatever it is, life would be universally worse for, well, everybody.
You have a broader definition of spam than me, I guess. And yet, believe me, I do hate spammers...
Random disclaimer: Yes, we're a competitor of no-ip.com's... And yes, we used to send similar emails to people signing up for an account, although nowadays instead of sending them an initial password we send a confirm URL instead.
that's the right approach. no-ip's problem was they presumed my permission.
Well, they might have stolen that approach from us, though, in a way (at least, it seems vaguely familiar to me)... The way we used to do it was this: you go to our site, read the AUP (which has a strict no-spamming clause, but every day a few idiots forget to read that section and find out it exists the hard way ;-)), fill out a form with your choice of username and your email address (the form also warns _in advance_ that we do require people to be on an announcements mailing list, but these days we send about one email every four months). Then our system would send you an email that says basically "You (or someone else) requested an account at our site. If it was you, log in within the next 48 hours with this initial password to confirm your account. If it wasn't you, then we apologize for the inconvenience, and the unconfirmed account, along with any reference to your email address in our database, will be automatically deleted in 48 hours" Isn't that the same as what no-ip.com is doing, except that they don't have the "if you don't reply in 48 hours, we'll forget you ever existed"? Is that the part you find to be missing in no-ip's modus operandi? FYI, our new approach is that you fill out choice of username, choice of password, and email address. We send a thing to you with a confirmation URL; if you go to that URL within 48 hours or so, great, the account keeps existing. If not, then byebye account, and we expunge any trace of you from the database. Vivien -- Vivien M. vivienm@dyndns.org Assistant System Administrator Dynamic DNS Network Services http://www.dyndns.org/
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Paul Vixie wrote:
I hate to sound like the big idiot here, but what exactly in the email you received indicates no-ip.com spammed? It looks to me like you just have some secret "admirer" who thought you wanted a no-ip.com account, and no-ip.com emailed you to confirm that you do want the account.
spam is like pollution in that (a) whenever you're not sure if you're doing it, you probably are, and (b) if everybody did whatever it is, life would be universally worse for, well, everybody.
Random disclaimer: Yes, we're a competitor of no-ip.com's... And yes, we used to send similar emails to people signing up for an account, although nowadays instead of sending them an initial password we send a confirm URL instead.
that's the right approach. no-ip's problem was they presumed my permission.
You don't even have to be in the "big idiot" league to figure out that in both the "wrong" and the "right" approach as sanctioned above by a higher authority, an email message (aka spam) is sent to the presumed subscriber. One sends a password, one asks for permission to issue a password on their site. What's the difference in the annoy factor, if indeed one were to be subscribed by a secret "admirer"? Mr. Halmu chose to think, rather than bindly obey... --Mitch NetSide
I realize this statement I'm about to make is going to open a huge... can o worms but ... and hoefully everyone knows I mean this in the most friendly responsible way ever but I'm not sure entirely what the big deal with spam is. Honestly sure I get it like everyone else, in some of my accounts more than others but I also get a real truckload in my snailmail box. Just as with all the pottery barn catalogs <no offense to pottery barn I guess>:) I have a delete key just like my trash can. I know at one time the argument was made, and quite correctly that people were paying to receive this service and these messages cost them money. Today with flat rate access and many people not paying on a per packet basis it seems to me that the responsibility lies with the end user to filter properly and or dress that delete key. I always shut down customers who spam and disrupt service simply because I don't want the backlash or want specific ips blocked but in a way I don't feel its right that the carriers do the filtering it seems tome up to the end user. On Fri, 3 May 2002, Mitch Halmu wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Paul Vixie wrote:
I hate to sound like the big idiot here, but what exactly in the email you received indicates no-ip.com spammed? It looks to me like you just have some secret "admirer" who thought you wanted a no-ip.com account, and no-ip.com emailed you to confirm that you do want the account.
spam is like pollution in that (a) whenever you're not sure if you're doing it, you probably are, and (b) if everybody did whatever it is, life would be universally worse for, well, everybody.
Random disclaimer: Yes, we're a competitor of no-ip.com's... And yes, we used to send similar emails to people signing up for an account, although nowadays instead of sending them an initial password we send a confirm URL instead.
that's the right approach. no-ip's problem was they presumed my permission.
You don't even have to be in the "big idiot" league to figure out that in both the "wrong" and the "right" approach as sanctioned above by a higher authority, an email message (aka spam) is sent to the presumed subscriber.
One sends a password, one asks for permission to issue a password on their site. What's the difference in the annoy factor, if indeed one were to be subscribed by a secret "admirer"?
Mr. Halmu chose to think, rather than bindly obey...
--Mitch NetSide
I think the issue is that in real-world spam, the spammer is actually paying some price to make the spam arrive in your snail mail box. This allows for some negative feedback inhibition [if the mailings cost exceeds the return, its not continued]. With spam, especially in this flat-rate world, the costs are _so_ low that there is essentially no feedback inhibition. This means that every email box could concievably recieve 20,000 spams per valid mail, continuously. You'll see how the problem of handling that much mail, especially when it has essentially no value in most cases, is as big a problem for the carriers & customers as limiting the spam in the first place. YMMV, my opinion only. Deepak Jain -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:27 PM To: Mitch Halmu Cc: Paul Vixie; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: anybody else been spammed by "no-ip.com" yet? I realize this statement I'm about to make is going to open a huge... can o worms but ... and hoefully everyone knows I mean this in the most friendly responsible way ever but I'm not sure entirely what the big deal with spam is. Honestly sure I get it like everyone else, in some of my accounts more than others but I also get a real truckload in my snailmail box. Just as with all the pottery barn catalogs <no offense to pottery barn I guess>:) I have a delete key just like my trash can. I know at one time the argument was made, and quite correctly that people were paying to receive this service and these messages cost them money. Today with flat rate access and many people not paying on a per packet basis it seems to me that the responsibility lies with the end user to filter properly and or dress that delete key. I always shut down customers who spam and disrupt service simply because I don't want the backlash or want specific ips blocked but in a way I don't feel its right that the carriers do the filtering it seems tome up to the end user. On Fri, 3 May 2002, Mitch Halmu wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Paul Vixie wrote:
I hate to sound like the big idiot here, but what exactly in the email you received indicates no-ip.com spammed? It looks to me like you just have some secret "admirer" who thought you wanted a no-ip.com account, and no-ip.com emailed you to confirm that you do want the account.
spam is like pollution in that (a) whenever you're not sure if you're doing it, you probably are, and (b) if everybody did whatever it is, life would be universally worse for, well, everybody.
Random disclaimer: Yes, we're a competitor of no-ip.com's... And yes,
used to send similar emails to people signing up for an account, although nowadays instead of sending them an initial password we send a confirm URL instead.
that's the right approach. no-ip's problem was they presumed my
we permission.
You don't even have to be in the "big idiot" league to figure out that in both the "wrong" and the "right" approach as sanctioned above by a higher authority, an email message (aka spam) is sent to the presumed subscriber.
One sends a password, one asks for permission to issue a password on their site. What's the difference in the annoy factor, if indeed one were to be subscribed by a secret "admirer"?
Mr. Halmu chose to think, rather than bindly obey...
--Mitch NetSide
Actually, I can agree entirely with this point and it makes sense. Having direct mail in the snailmail world cost tens of cents each certainly would tend to force the originator to go through more effort to insure its sent to and hopefully read by someone who will then buy what they are selling. Someone who only pas a flat fee of say $19.95 for dial or a few hundred for something faster will push as much as they possibly can with no concern for the validity of addresses targeted. Very good point! Scott On Fri, 3 May 2002, Deepak Jain wrote:
I think the issue is that in real-world spam, the spammer is actually paying some price to make the spam arrive in your snail mail box. This allows for some negative feedback inhibition [if the mailings cost exceeds the return, its not continued]. With spam, especially in this flat-rate world, the costs are _so_ low that there is essentially no feedback inhibition. This means that every email box could concievably recieve 20,000 spams per valid mail, continuously.
You'll see how the problem of handling that much mail, especially when it has essentially no value in most cases, is as big a problem for the carriers & customers as limiting the spam in the first place.
YMMV, my opinion only.
Deepak Jain
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:27 PM To: Mitch Halmu Cc: Paul Vixie; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: anybody else been spammed by "no-ip.com" yet?
I realize this statement I'm about to make is going to open a huge... can o worms but ... and hoefully everyone knows I mean this in the most friendly responsible way ever but I'm not sure entirely what the big deal with spam is. Honestly sure I get it like everyone else, in some of my accounts more than others but I also get a real truckload in my snailmail box. Just as with all the pottery barn catalogs <no offense to pottery barn I guess>:) I have a delete key just like my trash can. I know at one time the argument was made, and quite correctly that people were paying to receive this service and these messages cost them money. Today with flat rate access and many people not paying on a per packet basis it seems to me that the responsibility lies with the end user to filter properly and or dress that delete key. I always shut down customers who spam and disrupt service simply because I don't want the backlash or want specific ips blocked but in a way I don't feel its right that the carriers do the filtering it seems tome up to the end user.
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Mitch Halmu wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Paul Vixie wrote:
I hate to sound like the big idiot here, but what exactly in the email you received indicates no-ip.com spammed? It looks to me like you just have some secret "admirer" who thought you wanted a no-ip.com account, and no-ip.com emailed you to confirm that you do want the account.
spam is like pollution in that (a) whenever you're not sure if you're doing it, you probably are, and (b) if everybody did whatever it is, life would be universally worse for, well, everybody.
Random disclaimer: Yes, we're a competitor of no-ip.com's... And yes,
used to send similar emails to people signing up for an account, although nowadays instead of sending them an initial password we send a confirm URL instead.
that's the right approach. no-ip's problem was they presumed my
we permission.
You don't even have to be in the "big idiot" league to figure out that in both the "wrong" and the "right" approach as sanctioned above by a higher authority, an email message (aka spam) is sent to the presumed subscriber.
One sends a password, one asks for permission to issue a password on their site. What's the difference in the annoy factor, if indeed one were to be subscribed by a secret "admirer"?
Mr. Halmu chose to think, rather than bindly obey...
--Mitch NetSide
... I'm not sure entirely what the big deal with spam is. Honestly sure I get it like everyone else, in some of my accounts more than others ... I have a delete key ...
in the time between when you sent the above, and when i read it, the following messages were added to my mailbox: 1+ 05/03 stay5hard@hotmail The Harder you are The More She Will Come .. Vi 2 05/03 stayhdard@hotmail An Investment that will Rise with out a Doubt.. 3 05/03 sta4yhard@hotmail The Harder you are The More She Will Come.. Via 4 05/03 stayharud@hotmail The Harder you are The More She Will Come.. Via 5 05/03 "henning@mercadob Nasty Japanese Whores! 14918<<Have you ever won 6 05/03 Cindy_W0887w08@ho fw.....$25 Investment - Massive Return<<======= 7 05/03 Cindy_W5276c01@ms fw......$25 Investment - Massive Return<<====== 8 05/03 "Joke-of-the-Day! Patients taking Tri-Phetamine for 30 days, lost 9 05/03 istayhard@hotmail The best Hard-on you have ever had<<VIAGRA (and 10 05/03 sjtayhard@hotmail Be Hard as a Rock.. Make her come and come../<< 11 05/03 "AEMI" ADV: A low cost professional 800 number is fina 12 05/03 "AEMI" ADV: A low cost professional 800 number is fina 13 05/03 stayhayrd@hotmail Be Hard as a Rock.. Make her come and come .. V 14 05/03 sxtayhard@hotmail Vaniqa .. Order today You Unwanted Hair Will be 15 05/03 zstayhard@hotmail The Harder you are The More She Will Come.. Via 16 05/03 stayrhard@hotmail Take the Blue Pill.. and show her how far the R 17 05/03 sthayhard@hotmail Better for Him Better for Her.. . Order Viagra 18 05/03 fobare@imcnet.net Quality Affordable Hunts!<<<html> <head> <title 19 05/03 mailing@revistatr Especial 100 edi es<<A TRIP deste m s j est na 20 05/03 "AEMI" ADV: A low cost professional 800 number is fina 21 05/03 stadyhard@hotmail Take the Blue Pill.. and show her how far the R 22 05/03 "Kitty Dials" Record Low MORTGAGE rates! *Act Fast* 11551<<<h 23 05/03 "AEMI" ADV: A low cost professional 800 number is fina 24 05/03 "AEMI" ADV: A low cost professional 800 number is fina 25 05/03 stayhnard@hotmail Online Pharmacy..Any Medication you Need Lowest 26 05/03 "Val" (&~) You only THINK you're a U.S. citizen! %8t< it comes in 24 hours a day, 365.24 days per year, at about that rate. and that's after subscribing to several source-address-based rejection filters, and rejecting some additional sources. (otherwise it would be 4X worse, at least according to my syslog.) here's a short term histogram: lartomatic=# SELECT DATE(entered),COUNT(*) FROM spam WHERE DATE(entered) >= '2002-04-01'::DATE GROUP BY DATE(entered) ORDER BY DATE(entered) DESC; date | count ------------+------- 2002-05-03 | 78 -- (partial) 2002-05-02 | 111 2002-05-01 | 176 2002-04-30 | 122 2002-04-29 | 99 2002-04-28 | 65 2002-04-27 | 128 2002-04-26 | 143 2002-04-25 | 107 2002-04-24 | 107 2002-04-23 | 73 2002-04-22 | 121 2002-04-21 | 72 2002-04-20 | 101 2002-04-19 | 104 2002-04-18 | 89 2002-04-17 | 100 2002-04-16 | 78 2002-04-15 | 119 2002-04-14 | 113 2002-04-13 | 116 2002-04-12 | 167 2002-04-11 | 167 2002-04-10 | 100 2002-04-09 | 166 2002-04-08 | 81 2002-04-07 | 105 2002-04-06 | 115 2002-04-05 | 116 2002-04-04 | 125 2002-04-03 | 91 2002-04-02 | 88 2002-04-01 | 97 (33 rows) go ahead and "Just Hit Delete" if you want.
No I think your message illustrates things pretty well. I guess the fundimental differenc here is not only does it cost usually very little to receive these messages it costs even less infact dramatically to send spam. It seems there is no real reason for the spammer to be concerned with whether the mail is properly targeted or not so a full on flood is possible and the leads generated by this flood percentage wise have to be many factors less than the percentage of success in snailmail. On 3 May 2002, Paul Vixie wrote:
... I'm not sure entirely what the big deal with spam is. Honestly sure I get it like everyone else, in some of my accounts more than others ... I have a delete key ...
in the time between when you sent the above, and when i read it, the following messages were added to my mailbox:
1+ 05/03 stay5hard@hotmail The Harder you are The More She Will Come .. Vi 2 05/03 stayhdard@hotmail An Investment that will Rise with out a Doubt.. 3 05/03 sta4yhard@hotmail The Harder you are The More She Will Come.. Via 4 05/03 stayharud@hotmail The Harder you are The More She Will Come.. Via 5 05/03 "henning@mercadob Nasty Japanese Whores! 14918<<Have you ever won 6 05/03 Cindy_W0887w08@ho fw.....$25 Investment - Massive Return<<======= 7 05/03 Cindy_W5276c01@ms fw......$25 Investment - Massive Return<<====== 8 05/03 "Joke-of-the-Day! Patients taking Tri-Phetamine for 30 days, lost 9 05/03 istayhard@hotmail The best Hard-on you have ever had<<VIAGRA (and 10 05/03 sjtayhard@hotmail Be Hard as a Rock.. Make her come and come../<< 11 05/03 "AEMI" ADV: A low cost professional 800 number is fina 12 05/03 "AEMI" ADV: A low cost professional 800 number is fina 13 05/03 stayhayrd@hotmail Be Hard as a Rock.. Make her come and come .. V 14 05/03 sxtayhard@hotmail Vaniqa .. Order today You Unwanted Hair Will be 15 05/03 zstayhard@hotmail The Harder you are The More She Will Come.. Via 16 05/03 stayrhard@hotmail Take the Blue Pill.. and show her how far the R 17 05/03 sthayhard@hotmail Better for Him Better for Her.. . Order Viagra 18 05/03 fobare@imcnet.net Quality Affordable Hunts!<<<html> <head> <title 19 05/03 mailing@revistatr Especial 100 edi es<<A TRIP deste m s j est na 20 05/03 "AEMI" ADV: A low cost professional 800 number is fina 21 05/03 stadyhard@hotmail Take the Blue Pill.. and show her how far the R 22 05/03 "Kitty Dials" Record Low MORTGAGE rates! *Act Fast* 11551<<<h 23 05/03 "AEMI" ADV: A low cost professional 800 number is fina 24 05/03 "AEMI" ADV: A low cost professional 800 number is fina 25 05/03 stayhnard@hotmail Online Pharmacy..Any Medication you Need Lowest 26 05/03 "Val" (&~) You only THINK you're a U.S. citizen! %8t<
it comes in 24 hours a day, 365.24 days per year, at about that rate. and that's after subscribing to several source-address-based rejection filters, and rejecting some additional sources. (otherwise it would be 4X worse, at least according to my syslog.) here's a short term histogram:
lartomatic=# SELECT DATE(entered),COUNT(*) FROM spam WHERE DATE(entered) >= '2002-04-01'::DATE GROUP BY DATE(entered) ORDER BY DATE(entered) DESC; date | count ------------+------- 2002-05-03 | 78 -- (partial) 2002-05-02 | 111 2002-05-01 | 176 2002-04-30 | 122 2002-04-29 | 99 2002-04-28 | 65 2002-04-27 | 128 2002-04-26 | 143 2002-04-25 | 107 2002-04-24 | 107 2002-04-23 | 73 2002-04-22 | 121 2002-04-21 | 72 2002-04-20 | 101 2002-04-19 | 104 2002-04-18 | 89 2002-04-17 | 100 2002-04-16 | 78 2002-04-15 | 119 2002-04-14 | 113 2002-04-13 | 116 2002-04-12 | 167 2002-04-11 | 167 2002-04-10 | 100 2002-04-09 | 166 2002-04-08 | 81 2002-04-07 | 105 2002-04-06 | 115 2002-04-05 | 116 2002-04-04 | 125 2002-04-03 | 91 2002-04-02 | 88 2002-04-01 | 97 (33 rows)
go ahead and "Just Hit Delete" if you want.
2002-04-05 | 116 2002-04-04 | 125 2002-04-03 | 91 2002-04-02 | 88 2002-04-01 | 97 (33 rows)
go ahead and "Just Hit Delete" if you want.
if this idiot idea ("the `you can delete it' one) continues on, there's going to be a market for ultra long life, MILSPEC, DEL KEYS. --- Terence C. Giufre-Sweetser +---------------------------------+--------------------------+ | TereDonn Telecommunications Ltd | Phone +61-[0]7-32369366 | | 1/128 Bowen St, SPRING HILL | FAX +61-[0]7-32369930 | | PO BOX 1054, SPRING HILL 4004 | Mobile +61-[0]414-663053 | | Queensland Australia | http://www.tdce.com.au | +---------------------------------+--------------------------+
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Scott Granados wrote:
deal with spam is. Honestly sure I get it like everyone else, in some of my accounts more than others but I also get a real truckload in my snailmail box. Just as with all the pottery barn catalogs <no offense to pottery barn I guess>:) I have a delete key just like my trash can. I know at one time the argument was made, and quite correctly that people were paying to receive this service and these messages cost them money. Today with flat rate access and many people not paying on a per packet basis it seems to me that the responsibility lies with the end user to filter properly and or dress that delete key. I always shut down customers who spam and disrupt service simply because I don't want the backlash or want specific ips blocked but in a way I don't feel its right that the carriers do the filtering it seems tome up to the end user.
Let me put this into real world terms. I run a mail server (among other things) with about 4000 mailboxes, and about 40,000 messages a day. over 85% of all mail on average is marked as spam by spamassasin on this mail server. I, late last year, had to upgrade it to a multiprocessor box with gigabytes of memory, striped raid 0+1, etc. etc. etc. to handle the load. I could have used a mail server only 15% of the size of this one. Or better put, I could have used a 300mhz pentium III box with low-end IDE drives and a modest amount (256MB) of memory instead of the Dual PRocessor 6-SCSI 2GB ram thing we are running now. Add to that the 8-10 hours a week we spend cleaning up messes related to spammers who decide that sending 50,000+ messages as fast as they can to us is a good thing. For instance, on thursday of last week, we took almost 5000 messages in about a hour from one spammer in particular. The mail server *can't* handle this load so it basically was a Denial of Service attack. Right now there are 5000 messages in our mail queue which are spam bounces which aren't being accepted by the spammer's mail server. I could go on and on and on and on. I might be more inclined to tolerate the spammers if they weren't bad net citizens. They forge their email addressses so they can't receive bounces. They don't have any consideration about the load they are placing on the remote mail server (I've seen 40 streams open at once to my mail server from the same class C - all injecting mail as fast as possible). And on and on and on. - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/
I do agree here that using fake addressing and so on is really bad on many levels. I know on one of the networks I was involved in recently we had a customer who was a spammer and I pulled his services very quickly, some might even say to quickly. I also realize that even though I personally don't find it to bad to to deal with others don't agree so like I stated my professional policy differs from what I do personally. On Fri, 3 May 2002, Forrest W. Christian wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Scott Granados wrote:
deal with spam is. Honestly sure I get it like everyone else, in some of my accounts more than others but I also get a real truckload in my snailmail box. Just as with all the pottery barn catalogs <no offense to pottery barn I guess>:) I have a delete key just like my trash can. I know at one time the argument was made, and quite correctly that people were paying to receive this service and these messages cost them money. Today with flat rate access and many people not paying on a per packet basis it seems to me that the responsibility lies with the end user to filter properly and or dress that delete key. I always shut down customers who spam and disrupt service simply because I don't want the backlash or want specific ips blocked but in a way I don't feel its right that the carriers do the filtering it seems tome up to the end user.
Let me put this into real world terms.
I run a mail server (among other things) with about 4000 mailboxes, and about 40,000 messages a day.
over 85% of all mail on average is marked as spam by spamassasin on this mail server.
I, late last year, had to upgrade it to a multiprocessor box with gigabytes of memory, striped raid 0+1, etc. etc. etc. to handle the load.
I could have used a mail server only 15% of the size of this one. Or better put, I could have used a 300mhz pentium III box with low-end IDE drives and a modest amount (256MB) of memory instead of the Dual PRocessor 6-SCSI 2GB ram thing we are running now.
Add to that the 8-10 hours a week we spend cleaning up messes related to spammers who decide that sending 50,000+ messages as fast as they can to us is a good thing. For instance, on thursday of last week, we took almost 5000 messages in about a hour from one spammer in particular. The mail server *can't* handle this load so it basically was a Denial of Service attack.
Right now there are 5000 messages in our mail queue which are spam bounces which aren't being accepted by the spammer's mail server.
I could go on and on and on and on.
I might be more inclined to tolerate the spammers if they weren't bad net citizens. They forge their email addressses so they can't receive bounces. They don't have any consideration about the load they are placing on the remote mail server (I've seen 40 streams open at once to my mail server from the same class C - all injecting mail as fast as possible). And on and on and on.
- Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/
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