{f,i,k}.root-servers.net anycast instances deployed in India
... at three NIXI (www.nixi.org - the indian IXP) POPs - Delhi, Bombay and Madras. About time too. There's a fourth metro in India - Calcutta, which is the capital of a state that has one of two democratically elected communist governments in the world, by the way - the other being the Indian state of Kerala. [and the party in power in Calcutta is also part of the ruling coalition in the Indian government]. Now for comments in that admirable institution, the Indian press. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1211092.cms Two things -
The move will help bring down the cost of accessing Internet in India, where the clone root servers have been set up in Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai. "Normally, other countries get to host only two such services, but we fought hard and got three," said communications and IT minister Dayanidhi Maran.
Maran seems to think this is as big an achievement as a kid throwing a tantrum to get three chocolate bars instead of two, which it is not .. and, from a post on another mailing list that I read -
Mr. Paul Wilson, Director General APNIC and Mr. Axel Pawlik, Managing Director - RIPE will be in Delhi between 25-26 August 2005 in connection with Integration of Internet Root Servers in India.
Ah. Calcutta left out of the race, and those dreaded foreign imperialist powers are behind it all. I confidently expect our friendly comrades in Calcutta will feel duty bound to call for a general strike (something they were proverbial for doing at the drop of a hat, till quite recently ...) -- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
thanks the minister's parents, or the clerk who filled in his birth certificate made a mistake .. i do think his surname is actually "moron" and not "maran" srs On 26/08/05, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
... at three NIXI (www.nixi.org - the indian IXP) POPs - Delhi, Bombay and Madras.
About time too.
There's a fourth metro in India - Calcutta, which is the capital of a state that has one of two democratically elected communist governments in the world, by the way - the other being the Indian state of Kerala.
[and the party in power in Calcutta is also part of the ruling coalition in the Indian government].
Now for comments in that admirable institution, the Indian press.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1211092.cms
Two things -
The move will help bring down the cost of accessing Internet in India, where the clone root servers have been set up in Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai. "Normally, other countries get to host only two such services, but we fought hard and got three," said communications and IT minister Dayanidhi Maran.
Maran seems to think this is as big an achievement as a kid throwing a tantrum to get three chocolate bars instead of two, which it is not ..
and, from a post on another mailing list that I read -
Mr. Paul Wilson, Director General APNIC and Mr. Axel Pawlik, Managing Director - RIPE will be in Delhi between 25-26 August 2005 in connection with Integration of Internet Root Servers in India.
Ah. Calcutta left out of the race, and those dreaded foreign imperialist powers are behind it all.
I confidently expect our friendly comrades in Calcutta will feel duty bound to call for a general strike (something they were proverbial for doing at the drop of a hat, till quite recently ...)
-- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
-- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
On 26/08/05, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks
the minister's parents, or the clerk who filled in his birth certificate made a mistake .. i do think his surname is actually "moron" and not "maran"
Dang. That was supposed to be offlist, sorry for the noise all.
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Now for comments in that admirable institution, the Indian press.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1211092.cms
Two things -
The move will help bring down the cost of accessing Internet in India, where the clone root servers have been set up in Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai. "Normally, other countries get to host only two such services, but we fought hard and got three," said communications and IT minister Dayanidhi Maran.
Maran seems to think this is as big an achievement as a kid throwing a tantrum to get three chocolate bars instead of two, which it is not ..
Interesting how these myths pop up... As of a few weeks ago there were 97 root server instances listed on www.root-servers.org, so this presumably brings it up to 100 unless there were more deployments that I've missed in the last few weeks. Of those, the countries that each have two root servers are: Canada Spain France Switzerland Sweden Finland UAE Hong Kong Indonesia New Zealand South Africa So that's 22 root servers. The other 78 are in countries that either have only one or more than two. The two in Johhannesburg are the only two in Africa. South America has only one in the entire continent. -Steve
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, I wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Now for comments in that admirable institution, the Indian press.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1211092.cms
Two things -
The move will help bring down the cost of accessing Internet in India, where the clone root servers have been set up in Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai. "Normally, other countries get to host only two such services, but we fought hard and got three," said communications and IT minister Dayanidhi Maran.
Maran seems to think this is as big an achievement as a kid throwing a tantrum to get three chocolate bars instead of two, which it is not ..
Interesting how these myths pop up...
As of a few weeks ago there were 97 root server instances listed on www.root-servers.org, so this presumably brings it up to 100 unless there were more deployments that I've missed in the last few weeks.
Of those, the countries that each have two root servers are: [list of 11 countries]
Sorry, looking at this again, I think I understand what the Minister was saying. If we look at the Asia-Pacific region (for these purposes everything east of the UAE and West of the Americas), and then exclude Japan, Korea, and Singapore, countries that are undisputably part of the Internet core, what we've got are a bunch of F and I Roots, with a K Root in Brisbane and now a K Root somewhere in India. Having root servers that are part of three different anycast clouds would make India somewhat special within its region. -Steve
On 27/08/05, Steve Gibbard <scg@gibbard.org> wrote:
If we look at the Asia-Pacific region (for these purposes everything east of the UAE and West of the Americas), and then exclude Japan, Korea, and Singapore, countries that are undisputably part of the Internet core, what we've got are a bunch of F and I Roots, with a K Root in Brisbane and now a K Root somewhere in India. Having root servers that are part of three different anycast clouds would make India somewhat special within its region.
The crying shame of it all is that most ISPs, for various reasons [below] don't advertise all their routes at nixi - and so exchange piddly little amounts of traffic where they could exchange LOTS more. So, you'd find a whole lot of Indian traceroutes, even between two local ISPs, go out through Singapore (or possibly Reach / NTT now, in some cases), and/or PAIX Having three anycast instances in a country is no damned use when the nearest roots, network wise, are elsewhere. If traffic stats from those things are available, and are studied, I am reasonably sure we'd get some interesting results. But for now, having X number of anycast roots in the country is only scoring brownie points in the i-governance debate. --srs Reasons include - * don't have good people with bgp clue, only "senior network admins" who ask Philip Smith what a route map is, in an advanced bgp tutorial at a recent SANOG... * don't trust each other too much at all, and fear that peering means that people can rip them off by using those links for transit as well * have a network that's a mess of botched mpls and other implementations, all held together by a bunch of static routes upstream * or in some cases have, besides their usual IP space, a huge lot of deaggregated IP blocks that are a legacy from when they had a whole lot of leased lines purchased from the then incumbent + sole upstream VSNL ..
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