On Monday, February 17, 1997 6:02 PM, Perry E. Metzger[SMTP:perry@piermont.com] wrote: @ @ Jim Fleming writes: @ > On Monday, February 17, 1997 2:27 PM, Perry E. Metzger[SMTP:perry@piermont.co @ m] wrote: @ > @ @ > @ Jim Fleming writes: @ > @ > Someone claimed that they could not access the public @ > @ > Root Name Server operated by Paul Vixie and supported @ > @ > by the U.S. Government and the National Science Foundation @ > @ @ > @ No one claimed that but you. @ > @ > Here is the original mail....from matthew kaufman @ @ Creative editing of your original claim that Paul Vixie was @ "filtering" access to the name servers. @ @ Of course there are times where you can't reach one nameserver or @ another. Connections between any two points on the network are not @ 100% reliable. How you could twist this into the notion that @ Paul Vixie was filtering connections in the network is probably a @ question more for your psychiatrist than for you. @ @ Perry @ @ Per the following Paul has admitted that he does a small amount of filtering...he has not said why. @@@@@@@@@@@@@ ---------- From: Paul A Vixie[SMTP:paul@vix.com] Sent: Monday, February 17, 1997 12:02 PM To: 'nanog@merit.edu' Subject: Re: F means filtered ?
If someone was to attempt a denial of service attact against F.root-servers.net I certainly hope Paul would filter the originating network to protect nameservice for the other 99.5% of the Internet.
Actually it would be 99.95% not 99.5%. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ I think the main issue is if ISPs and network operators are going to rely on TRUE Root Name Servers for a reliable Internet then those servers should probably be handled by people who are not just volunteers. The Internet has grown from the days when people installed modems in their basements and waited for the phones to ring. The U.S. Government via the NSF/InterNIC is helping to back a serious telecommunications network. I think that most people on the NANOG mailing list understand these issues. They are more than capable of judging which Root Name Servers they use for their operations. In fact, many serious shops now run their own TRUE Root Name Servers to provide better service and better stability. The IANA and Network Solutions, Inc. are trying to move to the TRUE Root Name Server configuration that others have proven works and some experts claimed would fail. I am somewhat surprised that more NANOG members are not at the leading edge of these developments. Such is life. -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net JimFleming@unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)
Greetings: For those interested in filters, and running procmail, I freely give to the Internet community: :0: * ^From:.*JimFleming.* /dev/null Now, in payment for my fine gift, please indulge me, and repeat this mantra three times, in hope that it may guide your fingers at the MUA: Is this message I am sending to NANOG really related to <L4 issues and important enough to occupy their mailboxes? Thanks! -alan
On Monday, February 17, 1997 6:02 PM, Perry E. Metzger[SMTP:perry@piermont.com] wrote: @ @ Jim Fleming writes: @ > On Monday, February 17, 1997 2:27 PM, Perry E.
Metzger[SMTP:perry@piermont.co
@ m] wrote: @ > @ @ > @ Jim Fleming writes: @ > @ > Someone claimed that they could not access the public @ > @ > Root Name Server operated by Paul Vixie and supported @ > @ > by the U.S. Government and the National Science Foundation @ > @ @ > @ No one claimed that but you. @ > @ > Here is the original mail....from matthew kaufman @ @ Creative editing of your original claim that Paul Vixie was @ "filtering" access to the name servers. @ @ Of course there are times where you can't reach one nameserver or @ another. Connections between any two points on the network are not @ 100% reliable. How you could twist this into the notion that @ Paul Vixie was filtering connections in the network is probably a @ question more for your psychiatrist than for you. @ @ Perry @ @
Per the following Paul has admitted that he does a small amount of filtering...he has not said why.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ---------- From: Paul A Vixie[SMTP:paul@vix.com] Sent: Monday, February 17, 1997 12:02 PM To: 'nanog@merit.edu' Subject: Re: F means filtered ?
If someone was to attempt a denial of service attact against F.root-servers.net I certainly hope Paul would filter the originating network to protect nameservice for the other 99.5% of the Internet.
Actually it would be 99.95% not 99.5%.
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I think the main issue is if ISPs and network operators are going to rely on TRUE Root Name Servers for a reliable Internet then those servers should probably be handled by people who are not just volunteers.
The Internet has grown from the days when people installed modems in their basements and waited for the phones to ring. The U.S. Government via the NSF/InterNIC is helping to back a serious telecommunications network.
I think that most people on the NANOG mailing list understand these issues. They are more than capable of judging which Root Name Servers they use for their operations. In fact, many serious shops now run their own TRUE Root Name Servers to provide better service and better stability.
The IANA and Network Solutions, Inc. are trying to move to the TRUE Root Name Server configuration that others have proven works and some experts claimed would fail. I am somewhat surprised that more NANOG members are not at the leading edge of these developments. Such is life.
-- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation
e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net JimFleming@unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)
-- Alan Hannan Not Employed Networking, Ltd. email: alan@mindvision.com. phone: 402/488-0238
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