RE: Current street prices for US Internet Transit
Those problems you describe may be the providers initially and on a on going basis, but they can very quickly become your problem. The SLA you have with your provider may allow for a recoup of some money lost in the form or credits or contract termination; but in the end money lost is money lost and I don't believe upper management would take kindly to any Network Engineer saying "oh well" to any issue at the provider level inadvertent or not. Your selection of provider and the understanding of the providers network and how it will work with your environment is paramount. Chris Burton Network Engineer Walt Disney Internet Group: Network Services The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact Walt Disney Internet Group at 206-664-4000. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Patrick W Gilmore Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:51 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Cc: Patrick W Gilmore Subject: Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit On Aug 16, 2004, at 3:15 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Patrick W Gilmore wrote:
What do you care which routers they use? I've seen networks buy the most expensive routers and run a crappy network, and I've seen people
run stable networks on the cheap. I just want my bits to flow quickly
and reliably. I don't really care if you do it on Juniper, Force10, cisco, or tin-cans-and-string.
Well, with the GSR (and alike) you're paying for high MTBF, large buffers and quick re-routing when something happens, so yes, this is a quality issue and that's why you should care and make an informed decision.
I submit that the equipment in the network is far, far less important than the people running the equipment. I repeat: "I've seen networks buy the most expensive routers and run a crappy network, and I've seen people run stable networks on the cheap." I do not care what equipment the network uses, as long as my packets get to their destination reliably and quickly. This may or may not place restrictions on the equipment to be used (can you get my packets there "reliably and quickly" on tin-cans-and-string?), and it almost certainly places restrictions on who runs that equipment, but those are the provider's problem, not mine. -- TTFN, patrick
On Aug 16, 2004, at 4:28 PM, Burton, Chris wrote:
Those problems you describe may be the providers initially and on a on going basis, but they can very quickly become your problem. The SLA you have with your provider may allow for a recoup of some money lost in the form or credits or contract termination; but in the end money lost is money lost and I don't believe upper management would take kindly to any Network Engineer saying "oh well" to any issue at the provider level inadvertent or not. Your selection of provider and the understanding of the providers network and how it will work with your environment is paramount.
Of course - if your transit provider falls over, Bad Things happen, especially if you placed all your bets on one network. Doesn't change the fact that the most expensive equipment doesn't stop someone from fat-fingering a config. End of day, I believe the people running a network and the history of that network's performance & stability are orders of magnitude more important than whether they have GSRs vs. 7600s or Junipers vs. Force10s. But that's me. Feel free to pick your provider because they run all Foundry in the core if it makes you happy. Your bits, your decision. Of course, if you look at all the stable networks run by good people, you may find a correlation with the equipment being used. Dunno, you might not. Either way, I'm putting my faith in the engineers to run a good network, not the box vendors. My bits, my decision. -- TTFn, patrick
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