Verio as an DS3 upstream provider - comments?
I'm looking into possibly using Verio as an additional upstream provider. If you have any experience with Verio, can you give me any feedback on them? Thanks. - mz -- matthew zeier - "In mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them." - Johann von Neumann
AFAIK, Verio is shrinking back to a small footprint. We ordered service from them in Toledo, and after being over a year late in being turned up due to delays on their end, we got a letter from Verio Legal stating they were pulling out of Toledo, leaving us with a DS3 into their pop that they refuse to pay term liability on. I would avoid them if at all possible. Jason -- Jason Slagle - CCNP - CCDP /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . Admin - spork/wombat.dal.net X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . Team Lead - Coding The DALnet IRC Network / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail . On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, matthew zeier wrote:
I'm looking into possibly using Verio as an additional upstream provider.
If you have any experience with Verio, can you give me any feedback on them? Thanks.
- mz
-- matthew zeier - "In mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them." - Johann von Neumann
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Jason Slagle wrote:
AFAIK, Verio is shrinking back to a small footprint.
As far as I'm concerned, Verio is the new AGIS...host to many "bulletproof" commercial spammers. Complaints to abuse@ and a host of other verio addresses are apparently ignored since I keep receiving spams from the same verio customers. The worst one is: Custom Offers (NETBLK-C052-128-121-16-224) C052-128-121-16-224 128.121.16.224 - 128.121.16.255 Verio Data Centers - Sterling/Dulles (NETBLK-VRIO-128-121-000) VRIO-128-121-000 128.121.0.0 - 128.121.31.255 Verio Inc. (NETBLK-VRIO-128-121) VRIO-128-121 128.121.0.0 - 128.121.255.255
... I would avoid them if at all possible.
I would agree and would not recommend anyone buy anything from verio. If you have circuit contracts up for renewal, ask your salesdroid about verio's policy on spam, and take your business elsewhere. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis *jlewis@lewis.org*| I route System Administrator | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
On 23 Mar 2002 at 9:23, matthew zeier wrote:
I'm looking into possibly using Verio as an additional upstream provider.
If you have any experience with Verio, can you give me any feedback on them? Thanks.
We heard here in Eugene Oregon that Verio is pulling back from 32(?) markets to 25(?) markets. The local contracts apparently say something to the effect that the clients have a multi year contract but VERIO can pull out any time. 1. Who would present a contract like that? 2. Who would sign a contract like that? Ohhh well.
Subject: Verio as an DS3 upstream provider - comments?
I'm looking into possibly using Verio as an additional upstream provider.
If you have any experience with Verio, can you give me any feedback on them? Thanks.
- mz
Given the rapidly shrinking size of the geographic area served, the sale of all of the dialup business to Earthlink and the closure of many of the data centers I would not be surprised to see significant depeering with Verio in the near future. We had service with Verio for several years. Don't expect to be able to resolve BGP issues any time other than 9-5pm. First level dedicated access tech support is sometimes difficult to reach and can be extremely clueless. Billing is an utter basket case. I really like the part where Verio closed the Toledo POP and left town but is still billing us for service. I'm waiting for them to call and threaten to shut us off - that should be a fairly humorous conversation. The network itself was decent. Good connectivity and low latency but I wouldn't expect it to last much longer. Mark Radabaugh Amplex (419) 833-3635
Previously, Mark Radabaugh (mark@amplex.net) wrote:
Subject: Verio as an DS3 upstream provider - comments?
I'm looking into possibly using Verio as an additional upstream provider.
If you have any experience with Verio, can you give me any feedback on them? Thanks.
- mz
Given the rapidly shrinking size of the geographic area served, the sale of all of the dialup business to Earthlink and the closure of many of the data centers I would not be surprised to see significant depeering with Verio in the near future.
Empty datacenters don't push or pull bandwidth. Closing those hardly affects peering policy. I don't see this as a major concern at the moment.
Billing is an utter basket case. I really like the part where Verio closed the Toledo POP and left town but is still billing us for service. I'm waiting for them to call and threaten to shut us off - that should be a fairly humorous conversation.
I still like the fact that the Toledo POP fit in the trunk of my car, but that's beside the point - the important thing is that I still owe you a hot dog next time I'm in town. :-)
The network itself was decent. Good connectivity and low latency but I wouldn't expect it to last much longer.
Speaking for extensive personal experience - Verio has a heck of a backbone. And if you're in one of the cities they plan on continuing to provide access in, then they'd be a viable option - If you know what you're doing and don't need much support from your upstream. -- Douglas A. Dever doug@usvoicedata.com
At 02:30 AM 3/25/02 -0500, you wrote:
Speaking for extensive personal experience
as a former Verio employee (full disclosure, Doug :)
- Verio has a heck of a backbone. And if you're in one of the cities they plan on continuing to provide access in, then they'd be a viable option - If you know what you're doing and don't need much support from your upstream.
I had some, ummmmm, support issues with them. But that was three years ago, so my experience is very likely to be completely irrelevant. I haven't dealt with them since then. (Are you still in Cleveland?) -- Steve Sobol, Proud Native of the Great Frozen City of Cleveland, Ohio http://www.Cleveland.OH.US/ http://www.TravelCleveland.com/ http://www.LakeCountyOhio.org/ (Where the Snow is Cold but our Hearts Aren't!) CTO, JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, Lake County, OH http://JustThe.net/
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