I would point out that the delay inherent in the NANOG list which keeps it from being useful to ops folks in real-time is exactly what spurred creation of the IPNmoo and the Inter-Provider Notification Project in general. Nobody who was logged into IPNmoo appears to have lost their connections to it. -Bill ______________________________________________________________________________ bill woodcock woody@zocalo.net woody@nowhere.loopback.edu user@host.domain.com