RE: IP adresss management verification
From: Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com
SSL is a technical justification for separate IP addresses for web hosts. Virtual servers is another technical justification for assigning multiple IP addresses to a single physical server.
What I meant was we require a technical justification to give a dedicated IP to a customer but many hosts do not, or they use it as a revenue add by charging for having a dedicated IP when there's no technical reason for it. Previously, or maybe still, there was no mandate that web hosts only assign dedicated IP's when it can be justified. David
At 11:41 AM -0500 11/13/06, David Hubbard wrote:
From: Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com
SSL is a technical justification for separate IP addresses for web hosts. Virtual servers is another technical justification for assigning multiple IP addresses to a single physical server.
What I meant was we require a technical justification to give a dedicated IP to a customer
As do we.
but many hosts do not, or they use it as a revenue add by charging for having a dedicated IP when there's no technical reason for it.
The most ridiculous justification these days is the urban myth** that having sites with unique IP addresses, and preferably from different /24 networks, somehow magically increases your "SEO" and lands you atop the pagerank heap.
Previously, or maybe still, there was no mandate that web hosts only assign dedicated IP's when it can be justified.
ARIN seems to have gone dark on that subject. ** I assume it is myth, but I've never heard anyone from Google make any statements that definitively debunks it. Debunking this pervasive among webmasters and "SEO Experts" myth sure would be a very UN-evil thing to do if true (Hint hint you Google-folk!) It pisses me off to no end when a sales guy comes to me with a request from a customer for a /20 for a half-rack of web servers. The justification ALWAYS comes down to this inane "search engine optimization" pipe dream. =\ --chuck goolsbee *** *** Waiting now for ~246 hours for Yahoo!Mail human beings to contact me within their promised "48 hours".
On Nov 13, 2006, at 9:20 AM, chuck goolsbee wrote: [SNIP]
** I assume it is myth, but I've never heard anyone from Google make any statements that definitively debunks it. Debunking this pervasive among webmasters and "SEO Experts" myth sure would be a very UN-evil thing to do if true (Hint hint you Google-folk!)
Matt Cutts ("Matt Cutts works at the Googleplex and at his blog writes about Google, search engine optimization traps and whatever comes to his mind") has just responded on his blog: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/myth-busting-virtual-hosts-vs-dedicated- ip-addresses/
It pisses me off to no end when a sales guy comes to me with a request from a customer for a /20 for a half-rack of web servers. The justification ALWAYS comes down to this inane "search engine optimization" pipe dream. =\
Now you have somewhere to point them :-)
--chuck goolsbee ***
*** Waiting now for ~246 hours for Yahoo!Mail human beings to contact me within their promised "48 hours".
W -- Eagles soar but a weasel will never get sucked into a jet engine
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, Warren Kumari wrote:
On Nov 13, 2006, at 9:20 AM, chuck goolsbee wrote:
It pisses me off to no end when a sales guy comes to me with a request from a customer for a /20 for a half-rack of web servers. The justification ALWAYS comes down to this inane "search engine optimization" pipe dream. =\
oh, you mean the 'i wanna spam the world and get a /20 of YOUR ip space blacklisted' excuse? This falls in with the 'voip provider' excuse... VoIP really? wow, you do LOTS of VoIP to china/korea/japan, all over TCP, all to random high ports, all that has the 'odd' content of: "CONNECT mail.blah.com:25" intersting.. i didn't know that g711 encoding would look so much like proxy spamming?
The "myth" that I've heard relates to links. From the comments on Matt's blog: "500 sites under the same IP interlinked in some way will provide the same benefit as 500 sites on uniques similarly interlinked all other things held constant?" The answer to this question almost has to be "no." A site with hundreds of links from the same IP should not be treated the same as a site with hundreds of links from other IPs. If it is treated the same, scientology-style fake links will proliferate. If it is treated differently, then separate IPs do add value. Warren Kumari wrote:
Matt Cutts ("Matt Cutts works at the Googleplex and at his blog writes about Google, search engine optimization traps and whatever comes to his mind") has just responded on his blog: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/myth-busting-virtual-hosts-vs-dedicated-ip-add...
At 9:50 AM -0800 11/14/06, Warren Kumari wrote:
On Nov 13, 2006, at 9:20 AM, chuck goolsbee wrote:
** I assume it is myth, but I've never heard anyone from Google make any statements that definitively debunks it. Debunking this pervasive among webmasters and "SEO Experts" myth sure would be a very UN-evil thing to do if true (Hint hint you Google-folk!)
Matt Cutts ("Matt Cutts works at the Googleplex and at his blog writes about Google, search engine optimization traps and whatever comes to his mind") has just responded on his blog: <snip>
Now you have somewhere to point them :-)
That's awesome, thanks Warren (and Matt)! Always nice to add another cluebat to the quiver. --chuck * * Now waiting ~273 hours for Yahoo!Mail human beings to contact me within their promised "48 hours". Has *anybody* ever heard back from them? Ever?
On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 09:20:38AM -0800, chuck goolsbee wrote:
It pisses me off to no end when a sales guy comes to me with a request from a customer for a /20 for a half-rack of web servers. The justification ALWAYS comes down to this inane "search engine optimization" pipe dream. =\
Interesting. Most of the time I've seen customers ask for a /24 or larger blocks is solely for IRC vanity hosts. Is anyone keeping statistics for this? If not, they should. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB |
participants (6)
-
Albert Meyer -
Chris L. Morrow -
chuck goolsbee -
David Hubbard -
Jeremy Chadwick -
Warren Kumari