IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away
Hi, I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that will show 1) jitter 2) packet loss 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms TIA. Dovid
Anything on Integra's network. -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Dovid Bender Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:43 AM To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away Hi, I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that will show 1) jitter 2) packet loss 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms TIA. Dovid Attention: Information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and or privileged material that is protected under State or Federal law. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken on it is prohibited. If you believe you have received this email in error, please contact the sender, delete this email and destroy all copies.
Any specific IP? I don't want this to turn into an ISP bashing session...... On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tyler Applebaum <applebaumt@ochin.org> wrote:
Anything on Integra's network.
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Dovid Bender Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:43 AM To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away
Hi,
I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that will show 1) jitter 2) packet loss 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms
TIA.
Dovid Attention: Information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and or privileged material that is protected under State or Federal law. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken on it is prohibited. If you believe you have received this email in error, please contact the sender, delete this email and destroy all copies.
I was just kidding anyway. This is a 10gig Voxel IP: 80.249.209.187 No loss or anything, but it is in the EU, ~ 155ms latency for me on US West coast. From: Dovid Bender [mailto:dovid@telecurve.com] Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:54 AM To: Tyler Applebaum <applebaumt@ochin.org> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away Any specific IP? I don't want this to turn into an ISP bashing session...... On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tyler Applebaum <applebaumt@ochin.org<mailto:applebaumt@ochin.org>> wrote: Anything on Integra's network. -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org>] On Behalf Of Dovid Bender Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:43 AM To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away Hi, I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that will show 1) jitter 2) packet loss 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms TIA. Dovid Attention: Information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and or privileged material that is protected under State or Federal law. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken on it is prohibited. If you believe you have received this email in error, please contact the sender, delete this email and destroy all copies. Attention: Information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and or privileged material that is protected under State or Federal law. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken on it is prohibited. If you believe you have received this email in error, please contact the sender, delete this email and destroy all copies.
Here is an IP tunneled over a 3G service in the UK: 37.26.225.245 -Bart On 18 Sep 2015, at 18:06, Tyler Applebaum <applebaumt@ochin.org> wrote: I was just kidding anyway. This is a 10gig Voxel IP: 80.249.209.187 No loss or anything, but it is in the EU, ~ 155ms latency for me on US West coast. From: Dovid Bender [mailto:dovid@telecurve.com] Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:54 AM To: Tyler Applebaum <applebaumt@ochin.org> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away Any specific IP? I don't want this to turn into an ISP bashing session...... On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tyler Applebaum <applebaumt@ochin.org<mailto:applebaumt@ochin.org>> wrote: Anything on Integra's network. -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org>] On Behalf Of Dovid Bender Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:43 AM To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away Hi, I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that will show 1) jitter 2) packet loss 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms TIA. Dovid Attention: Information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and or privileged material that is protected under State or Federal law. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken on it is prohibited. If you believe you have received this email in error, please contact the sender, delete this email and destroy all copies. Attention: Information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and or privileged material that is protected under State or Federal law. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken on it is prohibited. If you believe you have received this email in error, please contact the sender, delete this email and destroy all copies.
Comcast? On 18 September 2015 at 16:42, Dovid Bender <dovid@telecurve.com> wrote:
Hi,
I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that will show 1) jitter 2) packet loss 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms
TIA.
Dovid
Use probably any coffee shop’s wireless network to anyone any you’ll get that most of the time. On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Dovid Bender <dovid@telecurve.com<mailto:dovid@telecurve.com>> wrote: Hi, I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that will show 1) jitter 2) packet loss 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms TIA. Dovid --- Keith Stokes
There are also plenty of simulators to create what you want. This one looks pretty useful: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/netem On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Neill <keiths@neilltech.com<mailto:keiths@neilltech.com>> wrote: Use probably any coffee shop’s wireless network to anyone any you’ll get that most of the time. On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Dovid Bender <dovid@telecurve.com<mailto:dovid@telecurve.com>> wrote: Hi, I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that will show 1) jitter 2) packet loss 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms TIA. Dovid --- Keith Stokes --- Keith Stokes
Expanding on this a little further, you could use this tool + some virtual machines and static routes to simulate just about any conditions you wanted. -- Regards, Jake Mertel Ubiquity Hosting *Web: *https://www.ubiquityhosting.com *Phone (direct): *1-480-478-1510 *Mail:* 5350 East High Street, Suite 300, Phoenix, AZ 85054 On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Keith Stokes <keiths@neilltech.com> wrote:
There are also plenty of simulators to create what you want. This one looks pretty useful:
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/netem
On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Neill <keiths@neilltech.com<mailto: keiths@neilltech.com>> wrote:
Use probably any coffee shop’s wireless network to anyone any you’ll get that most of the time.
On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Dovid Bender <dovid@telecurve.com<mailto: dovid@telecurve.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that will show 1) jitter 2) packet loss 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms
TIA.
Dovid
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Any hotel wi-fi around 7PM local time. Chuck On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Dovid Bender <dovid@telecurve.com<mailto:dovid@telecurve.com>> wrote: Hi, I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that will show 1) jitter 2) packet loss 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms TIA. Dovid
Tracing from the out side wont show anything as the external IP will be good. I need something perhaps on a sat link. On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Chuck Church <chuckchurch@gmail.com> wrote:
Any hotel wi-fi around 7PM local time.
Chuck
On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Dovid Bender <dovid@telecurve.com<mailto: dovid@telecurve.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that will show 1) jitter 2) packet loss 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms
TIA.
Dovid
On 9/18/15 9:04 AM, Chuck Church wrote:
Any hotel wi-fi around 7PM local time.
Chuck
On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Dovid Bender <dovid@telecurve.com<mailto:dovid@telecurve.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that will show 1) jitter 2) packet loss 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms
https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog47/presentations/Sunday/RAS_Traceroute_N... my own experience is the misinterpretation of the above properties in traceroute is pathological to the point of making it useless in the hands of novices... you shouldn't be looking for jitter in traceroute, because it's not measuring the forwarding plane it's measuring the control plane. intermediate loss is mostly meaningless, unless it cascades, in which case it may have meaning but maybe not.
TIA.
Dovid
Hi,
my own experience is the misinterpretation of the above properties in traceroute is pathological to the point of making it useless in the hands of novices...
correct. you should be looking at the output of other data transit systems such as iperf, bwctl etc - thats why such tools as PerfSONAR exist...allowing you to find the real problems in your IP path alan
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:42:49AM -0400, Dovid Bender wrote:
Hi,
I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that will show 1) jitter 2) packet loss 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms
www.gov.mg shows fairly long ping times (especially with 1kB payload), a fair amount of jitter, and some loss. It's not like pinging something at the D/E of a really bad link, but I wouldn't want to push X graphics over it. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin
participants (10)
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A.L.M.Buxey＠lboro.ac.uk -
Alistair Mackenzie -
Bart Smit -
Chuck Church -
Dovid Bender -
Jake Mertel -
joel jaeggli -
Keith Stokes -
mikea -
Tyler Applebaum