Completely agree with [1] "...deploying faster than..", and [2] "...suggest we work on what it needs to be better...". Additionally, it would be also be wonderful if the nasty business of VoIP service providers playing both sides of the current regulatory issues (or lack thereof, or both) didn't come into play, but I guess you can't win 'em all. - ferg -- Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote: so, i am sure it does not meet everyone's needs, seems poor quality to some, ... but it's deploying at least a decimal order of magnitude faster than ipv6. so, rather than pretend it sucks so badly it can be ignored, i suggest we work on what it needs to be better and to scale really well. randy -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg@netzero.net or fergdawg@sbcglobal.net