Peering matrix information at IXPs
Hi, I was wondering if there is any web page with pointers to IXP's peering matrices (such as http://www.swissix.ch/peermatrix.php)? Also, I wanted to know how usually these matrices are built - if they are produced from IRR data, manually , or from traffic measurements? Thanks! --Ricardo
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Ricardo V. Oliveira wrote: You mean like this: https://www.euro-ix.net/member/m/peeringmatrix -Hank
Hi,
I was wondering if there is any web page with pointers to IXP's peering matrices (such as http://www.swissix.ch/peermatrix.php)? Also, I wanted to know how usually these matrices are built - if they are produced from IRR data, manually , or from traffic measurements?
Thanks!
--Ricardo
In article <4852089F-1D77-42A3-8951-88D743D973CF@cs.ucla.edu>, Ricardo V. Oliveira <rveloso@cs.ucla.edu> writes
I was wondering if there is any web page with pointers to IXP's peering matrices (such as http://www.swissix.ch/peermatrix.php)?
https://www.euro-ix.net/member/m/peeringmatrix Is a mine of useful information. I'm sure someone will know how that's generated (sorry, I don't). -- Roland Perry
Hi Ricardo,
I was wondering if there is any web page with pointers to IXP's peering matrices (such as http://www.swissix.ch/peermatrix.php)?
I don't think that there is a webpage (traceroute.org-like) that has links to peering matrices. There are webpages with pointers to IXPs, and IXPs may or may not have peering matrices. https://www.euro-ix.net/member/m/isp/choosing/ixplist http://www.pch.net/ixpdir/Main.pl?show_active_only=1
Also, I wanted to know how usually these matrices are built - if they are produced from IRR data, manually , or from traffic measurements?
Depending on the IXP, any of the above. IRR data usually only tells you if two entities peer, it does not give details about where they peer. If they have peerings at two IXPs, you generally won't be able to know where packets pass by reading IRR data (the peering point could be specified in RPSL, but people usually do not bother to go to that level of detail when updating the IRR databases). Traffic matrices (at least up to now and AFAIK) have only been built by traffic measurements by IXPs whose switches all support sFlow. Not all switches do, so not many IXPs have that feature. Several IXPs have traffic matrices built on data entered manually. That is usually not too reliable as people forget to update the peering data after having updated their peerings on the routers. On 6/13/07, Roland Perry <lists@internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
https://www.euro-ix.net/member/m/peeringmatrix
Is a mine of useful information. I'm sure someone will know how that's generated (sorry, I don't).
This is actually a totally different peering matrix, it does not give any info on who peers with whom. It only tells you the amount of AS overlap between IXPs. The idea behind it is that an ISP might want to choose at which IXP to be present, depending on what IXPs they already are members of and looking at how many more ASes they could reach. The matrix is built on manually entered data (every IXP puts in the list of the ASes present at their site). Hope that helps! Regards, Daniele.
On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 06:47:30PM +0200, Daniele Arena wrote: [snip]
Traffic matrices (at least up to now and AFAIK) have only been built by traffic measurements by IXPs whose switches all support sFlow. Not all switches do, so not many IXPs have that feature.
Several IXPs have traffic matrices built on data entered manually. That is usually not too reliable as people forget to update the peering data after having updated their peerings on the routers.
Not to mention that even at member-driven IXes, you will find members who believe they can keep their AS-level adjacencies secret and opt-out. IMO, a major reason you don't see much traction for this data in larger/non-co-op IXes (most of the US, sadly). Cheers, Joe -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
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Daniele Arena
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Hank Nussbacher
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Joe Provo
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Ricardo V. Oliveira
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Roland Perry