The list is extremely quiet on Net Neutrality. I cannot find a single post. I thought this would be a good debate topic. The usual gov regulation vs free market argument along side the RBOC vs Everyone else topic. David
On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:18 AM, David Diaz wrote:
The list is extremely quiet on Net Neutrality. I cannot find a single post. I thought this would be a good debate topic.
Dave, Hmm, I think that's burried in the various flavors of what net neutrality might actually mean to various people, I certainly can think of a number of different ways to define neutral.. ;-).. but, I might well be mistaken in my confidence that somebody on NANOG has touched on at least a few aspects. If you start at a much simpler topic, and I really believe that it is a subset of the net neutrality issues, start with defining wholesale (some might even argue that they're the same thing, which I don't subscribe to). There are a huge number of variations on that topic alone. Best regards, Christian
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 11:18:24 -0400, David Diaz proclaimed...
The list is extremely quiet on Net Neutrality. I cannot find a single post. I thought this would be a good debate topic. The usual gov regulation vs free market argument along side the RBOC vs Everyone else topic.
North American Network OPERATORS' Group, not North American Network POLITICIANS' Group. You might have more fun trolling elsewhere :)
On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Eric Pancer wrote:
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 11:18:24 -0400, David Diaz proclaimed...
The list is extremely quiet on Net Neutrality. I cannot find a single post. I thought this would be a good debate topic. The usual gov regulation vs free market argument along side the RBOC vs Everyone else topic.
North American Network OPERATORS' Group, not North American Network POLITICIANS' Group. You might have more fun trolling elsewhere :)
You must be living in a curious world where operations is not constantly involved in policy or politics! ;-)
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 11:29:44 -0400, Christian Kuhtz proclaimed...
You must be living in a curious world where operations is not constantly involved in policy or politics! ;-)
Damn, I was dreaming! You just had to wake me up...grr.... Oh Ambien, sweet Ambien, where art thou?
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Eric Pancer wrote:
Damn, I was dreaming! You just had to wake me up...grr....
Oh Ambien, sweet Ambien, where art thou?
You probably left it in the fridge, while you were making those deep-fried twinkies in your sleep. Mmm, sleep twinkies.... Seriously though, to the OP; this has gotta be some sort of troll, right? matto --matt@snark.net------------------------------------------<darwin>< Moral indignation is a technique to endow the idiot with dignity. - Marshall McLuhan
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:18:24 EDT, David Diaz said:
The list is extremely quiet on Net Neutrality. I cannot find a single post. I thought this would be a good debate topic. The usual gov regulation vs free market argument along side the RBOC vs Everyone else topic.
This list is about network operations. There's other lists devoted to crackpot business models. ;) On the other hand, if somebody's $DAYJOB has decided to offer selective performance degradation as a business model, we'll be happy to discuss it then....
On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On the other hand, if somebody's $DAYJOB has decided to offer selective performance degradation as a business model, we'll be happy to discuss it then....
Vladis, Vladis, you really think it hasn't been? ;-) Just because all the legal issues haven't been sorted out, doesn't mean that it isn't a) the declared goal or b) the technology is not ready and developed. Oh you have little faith in, for example, RBOCs and their burning desire to evolve out of the plumbing business. ;-)
That was an interesting point. Basically you are claiming your network does not have all the resources it needs for peak utilization and therefore you are degrading some traffic. This was a very big topic at the voice peering fabric mtg last week. Most operators are terrified this means their voip service will be affected. I see that as an operational issue. Whether all packets should be treated equally. On 4/6/06, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:18:24 EDT, David Diaz said:
The list is extremely quiet on Net Neutrality. I cannot find a single post. I thought this would be a good debate topic. The usual gov regulation vs free market argument along side the RBOC vs Everyone else topic.
This list is about network operations. There's other lists devoted to crackpot business models. ;)
On the other hand, if somebody's $DAYJOB has decided to offer selective performance degradation as a business model, we'll be happy to discuss it then....
We've already discussed this in great detail, but that doesn't mean that the demise of the "Net Neutrality" amendment yesterday can't prompt us to do it again. http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6058223.html?part=rss&tag=6058223&subj=news If you want to review a previous flamewar, searching the archives for "Two Tiered Internet" is a good starting point. David Diaz wrote:
The list is extremely quiet on Net Neutrality. I cannot find a single post. I thought this would be a good debate topic. The usual gov regulation vs free market argument along side the RBOC vs Everyone else topic.
David
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, David Diaz wrote: > The list is extremely quiet on Net Neutrality. I cannot find a single > post. I thought this would be a good debate topic. Dang, Dave, what did you have to go and do that for? We'll miss you, now that you'll have to be disappeared. -Bill
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