RE: Get as much IP space as you ever dreamed of, was: Re: Looking to buy IPv4 addresses from class C swamp
What if Company A uses Iana-L space A, and Company uses Space A & B... What then? And don't say NAT - it's not the universal savior. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Irving [mailto:rirving@onecall.net] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:18 PM To: Temkin, David Cc: 'Stephen Sprunk'; Daniel Golding; Kai Schlichting; North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes Subject: Re: Get as much IP space as you ever dreamed of, was: Re: Looking to buy IPv4 addresses from class C swamp Temkin, David wrote:
And something else a lot of people tend to forget - just because space isn't in the tables doesn't mean it's not in use.
True.
There are companies that connect to thousands of other companies (see the financial markets) that require unique addressing between companies with non-colliding address ranges. 10.x.x.x doesn't quite cut it.
This is not an acceptable excuse to burn PI space. There are plenty of other Iana-L available... try using an obscure one.
-DT
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sprunk [mailto:stephen@sprunk.org] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:01 PM To: Daniel Golding; Kai Schlichting Cc: North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes Subject: Re: Get as much IP space as you ever dreamed of, was: Re: Looking to buy IPv4 addresses from class C swamp
Thus spake "Daniel Golding" <dgold@FDFNet.Net>
ARIN needs to repo any space that has [not] been advertised for a reasonable length of time, and reissue it.
So you're claiming that ARIN should revoke any allocations, including those made before it came into existence, simply because the addresses aren't in the global tables?
If that's the position of the community, that's a drastic change from assertions made in the IETF WGs and may affect address allocation guidelines and even some protocol work.
S
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Temkin, David wrote:
What if Company A uses Iana-L space A, and Company uses Space A & B... What then?
And don't say NAT - it's not the universal savior.
Actually, in this exact case it is -=perfect=-, since we are , by definition, only discussing using this for -=direct=- connections... If we were routing it via the internet, it would be in the tables, and a non-issue, eh ? However, there are scads of IANA-L, switch to the obscure, rather than obvious... For example, the DOD reserved IANA space... (Almost no one thinks to use that...) However, I don't suggest the Multicast reserved space.... it behaves just a little differently.... :P .JMHO.
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Irving [mailto:rirving@onecall.net] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:18 PM To: Temkin, David Cc: 'Stephen Sprunk'; Daniel Golding; Kai Schlichting; North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes Subject: Re: Get as much IP space as you ever dreamed of, was: Re: Looking to buy IPv4 addresses from class C swamp
Temkin, David wrote:
And something else a lot of people tend to forget - just because space isn't in the tables doesn't mean it's not in use.
True.
There are companies that connect to thousands of other companies (see the financial markets) that require unique addressing between companies with non-colliding address ranges. 10.x.x.x doesn't quite cut it.
This is not an acceptable excuse to burn PI space.
There are plenty of other Iana-L available... try using an obscure one.
-DT
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sprunk [mailto:stephen@sprunk.org] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:01 PM To: Daniel Golding; Kai Schlichting Cc: North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes Subject: Re: Get as much IP space as you ever dreamed of, was: Re: Looking to buy IPv4 addresses from class C swamp
Thus spake "Daniel Golding" <dgold@FDFNet.Net>
ARIN needs to repo any space that has [not] been advertised for a reasonable length of time, and reissue it.
So you're claiming that ARIN should revoke any allocations, including those made before it came into existence, simply because the addresses aren't in the global tables?
If that's the position of the community, that's a drastic change from assertions made in the IETF WGs and may affect address allocation guidelines and even some protocol work.
S
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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