Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover
Regarding TransCanada: I recently read they are only just beginning to experiment with fibre optic monitoring systems for leak detection on short stretches of feeder pipeline in Alberta. The original plans for the RoW on the Northern Courier project (set to finish construction this year) included provisions for a communications conduit, but that was later scrapped. Leak detection: https://www.transcanada.com/en/stories-container/environmentsafety/new-rd-co... I doubt there's anything pipeline-related that spans the geography in question. On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 6:03 AM <nanog-request@nanog.org> wrote:
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Today's Topics:
1. Seznam serveru (Lumir Srchlm) 2. Re: Temp at Level 3 data centers (Marshall, Quincy) 3. Re: Temp at Level 3 data centers (Matthew Pounsett) 4. TSYS Contact (Dan White) 5. RE: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover (Jacques Latour) 6. Re: 4 or smaller digit ASNs (Hank Nussbacher) 7. Re: 4 or smaller digit ASNs (John Levine) 8. RE: 4 or smaller digit ASNs (Naslund, Steve) 9. Re: Temp at Level 3 data centers (Sam Silvester) 10. Re: 4 or smaller digit ASNs (Steve Jones) 11. Re: replacing compromised biometric authenticators (Rich Kulawiec) 12. Re: 4 or smaller digit ASNs (valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu) 13. Re: replacing compromised biometric authenticators (Jean-Francois Mezei) 14. Re: 4 or smaller digit ASNs (Jon Lewis) 15. Re: Temp at Level 3 data centers (William Herrin) 16. Re: 4 or smaller digit ASNs (Richard Hicks) 17. Re: Temp at Level 3 data centers (Keith Stokes) 18. Re: Temp at Level 3 data centers (Jean-Francois Mezei) 19. Google Voice Security (J. Oquendo) 20. Re: 4 or smaller digit ASNs (Brett Watson) 21. Re: replacing compromised biometric authenticators (Alain Hebert) 22. Re: 4 or smaller digit ASNs (Lee Howard)
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:02:11 +0200 From: "Lumir Srchlm" <srchlm@its.cz> To: " Lukáš Racek (lukas.racek@pentahospitals.cz =?ISO-8859-2?B?KQ==?=" <lukas.racek@pentahospitals.cz>, "=?ISO-8859-2?B?TWlyb3NsYXYgSHJpdvLhayAoZXh0ZXJuYWwp?=" <hrivnak@nemosnet.cz>, "i mawsog via NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Cc: "Tomas Blinka" <blinka@its.cz> Subject: Seznam serveru Message-ID: < OF16ECBD77.EEE27B0E-ONC12581B7.00477A64-C12581B7.00479CD4@post.its.cz>
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Dobry den,
zasilam slibeny seznam serveru.
DC1
PHCZ_MIS PHCZ_WSUS PHCZ_RON DC01_NV PHCZ_ADFS01 nv-vrc-fug-v-02 pha-nav-v-003 PHCZ_DC01 DC01_NOS PHCZ_DADFS01 PHCZ_TERMGW HART_NV DC01_NSO PHCZ_TERM1 DC01_NSU PHCZ_ESET
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S pozdravem Lumir Srch
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:27:38 +0000 From: "Marshall, Quincy" <Quincy.Marshall@reged.com> To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Temp at Level 3 data centers Message-ID: < 3438B611A2B2C04495EF0E1B25729C46BCD6EB@mbx032-e1-va-8.exch032.serverpod.net
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I have equipment in several L(3) DCs. I'd say that is generally the exception however I have two notable facilities (smaller type 3) that have troubles on occasion... reaching into the 80s as you commented. (Usually during the warm southern summer days) .
I found that my getting to know the facility manager/personnel very useful. They gave staight up answers and have done what they could to assist.
-------- Original message -------- From: Chuck Anderson <cra@WPI.EDU> Date: 10/11/17 22:13 (GMT-05:00) To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Temp at Level 3 data centers
Install an air conditioner in your rack.
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 02:39:19PM -0500, Andrew Latham wrote:
David
The issue has several components and is vendor agnostic.
Set Point: The systems are specifically set at a temperature Capacity Ability: The systems can maintain a temperature Customer Desire: What you expect from sales promises. Sales Promise: What they might carefully avoid promising.
I suggest you review your SLA and discuss with legal asap. You could have a document defining your question's answer already but it sits in a filing cabinet file labeled business continuity.
If the set point is X then they likely would answer quickly that that is the case. If the capacity is lacking then they would likely redirect the issue. If they don't care about the customer that alone should be an indicator If a promise exists in the SLA then the ball is in your court
From the emails I fear that we have confirmed that this is normal. So your question "Is the temperature at Level 3 Data Centers normally in the 80-90F range?" sounds like a Yes.
Regardless of the situation always ask for names, titles, and ask vendors to repeat critical information like the status of cooling in a building designed to deal with cooling. Keep the vendors that do it well.
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:31 AM, David Hubbard < dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote:
Curious if anyone on here colo’s equipment at a Level 3 facility and has found the temperature unacceptably warm? I’m having that experience currently, where ambient temp is in the 80’s, but they tell me that’s perfectly fine because vented tiles have been placed in front of all equipment racks. My equipment is alarming for high temps, so obviously not fine. Trying to find my way up to whomever I can complain to that’s in a position to do something about it but it seems the support staff have been told to brush questions about temp off as much as possible. Was wondering if this is a country-wide thing for them or unique to the data center I have equipment in. I have equipment in several others from different companies and most are probably 15-20 degrees cooler.
Thanks,
David
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:04:08 -0400 From: Matthew Pounsett <matt@conundrum.com> To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>, dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com Subject: Re: Temp at Level 3 data centers Message-ID: <CAAiTEH-dbvsy7XD5EBirwV=QYP=FqANS= gPxyqsFwmFmZZuv3w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I'm a few years removed from having direct involvement in our DCs now, so I don't have an example on hand to look at. Is cooling (and in-cabinet temperature) not a part of the SLA? If it is, then there shouldn't be a question of the DC staff brushing off complaints about the temperature–either L3 should fix it or pay the penalties. If it isn't, then I'd suggest having a look at your contract (and possibly looking a new DCs) at renewal time.
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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:18:48 -0500 From: Dan White <dwhite@olp.net> To: <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: TSYS Contact Message-ID: <20171012161848.xggy2ixm24b3ww7m@dan.olp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
If there are any personnel from TSYS here, please contact me off list.
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:46:55 +0000 From: Jacques Latour <Jacques.Latour@cira.ca> To: Jean-Francois Mezei <jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca>, "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: RE: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover Message-ID: <b993e2657bcf452ea6557e35d58897d6@cira.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Since the Trans Canada highway in that part of Ontario is actually a 2 lane rural road, I am not sure people would have laid fibre along it knowing the progressive work to widen it might require frequent relocation of the fibre.
That's a good point, what about along the Trans-Canadian pipeline? https://www.transcanada.com/en/operations/maps/ Anyone know if there's fibre there?
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Message: 6 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 20:39:41 +0300 From: Hank Nussbacher <hank@efes.iucc.ac.il> To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 4 or smaller digit ASNs Message-ID: <cfd4c969-b6f1-5a23-267f-ae820ef3e03c@efes.iucc.ac.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
On 12/10/2017 08:47, Mel Beckman wrote:
James,
As far as I know, you can't buy an existing ASN for any amount of money. You can buy the company that owns it, but that seems like boiling tea with a blowtorch.
I sincerely doubt there are unused low-number ASNs, but you could always ask ARIN.
I'm curious what your client's rationale is for wanting a low ASN. It is called ASN-envy.
-Hank AS378 :-)
It can't be efficiency, since the numbers all take the same number of bits ultimately. If they just like small numbers, I'd advise them to forget it -- life is too short. If they have a real technical reason that nobody has foreseen (or at least I haven't foreseen), I'd love to hear it.
-mel beckman
On Oct 11, 2017, at 10:01 PM, James Breeden <James@arenalgroup.co> wrote:
Hello NANOG...
I have a client interested in picking up a new AS number but they really want it to be 3 or 4 digits in length.
Is there a process to request this from ARIN, or doss anyone know of unused ASns fitting this that anyone is looking to sell for some quick cash?
Thanks! James
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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Message: 7 Date: 12 Oct 2017 20:28:49 -0000 From: "John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 4 or smaller digit ASNs Message-ID: <20171012202849.43329.qmail@ary.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
In article <20171012070551.GA52873@spider.typo.org> you write:
I'm curious what your client's rationale is for wanting a low ASN.
Dare I say it?
Nerds often get overly excited at things that are generally pretty small...
Too bad I can't sell my old NSI handle.
R's, JL7
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Message: 8 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 20:40:42 +0000 From: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund@medline.com> To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: RE: 4 or smaller digit ASNs Message-ID: < 9578293AE169674F9A048B2BC9A081B40262159F01@MUNPRDMBXA1.medline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
I've got a DDN TAC access card if they are interested in that as well. Might even be able to dig up a BBN PAD for them too.
Steven Naslund Chicago IL
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of John Levine Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:29 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 4 or smaller digit ASNs
In article <20171012070551.GA52873@spider.typo.org> you write:
I'm curious what your client's rationale is for wanting a low ASN.
Dare I say it?
Nerds often get overly excited at things that are generally pretty small...
Too bad I can't sell my old NSI handle.
R's, JL7
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Message: 9 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:22:31 +1030 From: Sam Silvester <sam.silvester@gmail.com> To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Temp at Level 3 data centers Message-ID: <CAAAhk69MfV7c+ZVzftiH-yeqOL4V5=kWJ-j= YNRvBeZdUAwkAA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:39 AM, Naslund, Steve <SNaslund@medline.com> wrote:
If the ambient temperature is higher is means the temperatures throughout the device would be higher and the temp at those points is what really matters. I would also be concerned because if they lose one of the a/c units what would the ambient temperature rise to? I would want them to tell me what the set point of the a/c actually is.
Bottom line 80 F input air is too hot in my opinion and apparently the equipment's opinion as well.
My quick thoughts on the matter:
1. Above all else, know what your DC provider states in their SLA/contract. 2. It's never a bad idea to try to be on the best possible personal terms with the DC manager(s), the better you get along the more they're inclined to share knowledge/issues and work with you on any concerns. 3. You can't infer faults or lack of redundancy from the running temperature - by way of example several facilities I know run at 25 degrees celsius but if a chilled water unit in a given data hall fails there's a number of DX units held in standby to take over. This is where point 2 comes in handy as knowing somebody on the ground they'll often be quite happy to run through failure scenarios with you and help make sure everybody is happy with the risk mitigation strategy.
Out of idle curiosity - I'm curious as to if the equipment that is alarming is configurable or not? Reason I ask is I've heard users claiming environmental parameters were out of spec before, but then it turned out it was their own environmental monitoring they'd installed in the rack (using default parameters out of the box, not configured to match the facility SLA) that was complaining about a set point of 25...
Cheers,
Sam
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Message: 10 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 00:55:35 -0500 From: Steve Jones <thatoneguysteve@gmail.com> To: Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org> Cc: James Breeden <James@arenalgroup.co>, "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: 4 or smaller digit ASNs Message-ID: <CAGOa4nOgoZ1huFcQFHUKi_TpPgaEiuR2L= hFy5_qn84QunoAkw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
as i understand it, you cant do bgp at all under 5
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org> wrote:
James,
As far as I know, you can't buy an existing ASN for any amount of money. You can buy the company that owns it, but that seems like boiling tea with a blowtorch.
I sincerely doubt there are unused low-number ASNs, but you could always ask ARIN.
I'm curious what your client's rationale is for wanting a low ASN. It can't be efficiency, since the numbers all take the same number of bits ultimately. If they just like small numbers, I'd advise them to forget it -- life is too short. If they have a real technical reason that nobody has foreseen (or at least I haven't foreseen), I'd love to hear it.
-mel beckman
On Oct 11, 2017, at 10:01 PM, James Breeden <James@arenalgroup.co> wrote:
Hello NANOG...
I have a client interested in picking up a new AS number but they really want it to be 3 or 4 digits in length.
Is there a process to request this from ARIN, or doss anyone know of unused ASns fitting this that anyone is looking to sell for some quick cash?
Thanks! James
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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Message: 11 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:58:35 -0400 From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: replacing compromised biometric authenticators Message-ID: <20171012205835.GA5109@gsp.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
If the current best operating practice is to avoid biometrics, why are
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 05:04:08PM -0400, Ken Chase wrote: they
still in use out here?
(1) for the same reason some idiots still use captchas (2) new hotness > old and busted, regardless of merits (3) because they facilitate coerced risk transference away from the people who are actually responsible (and are paid to be so) to the people who shouldn't be responsible (and aren't paid to be)
---rsk
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Message: 12 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:58:52 -0400 From: valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu To: Steve Jones <thatoneguysteve@gmail.com> Cc: Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org>, "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: 4 or smaller digit ASNs Message-ID: <21717.1507841932@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 00:55:35 -0500, Steve Jones said:
as i understand it, you cant do bgp at all under 5
AS1312 does BGP quite nicely... Not sure what you meant there, unless the text/plain lost the <font=sarcasm> tags...
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