Anyone give me an idea of what sort of traffic passes to (and hopefully thru!) their MAE-LA peers? It's hard to tell whether anyone cares about this NAP or not, and there appears to be significantly less potential peering partners connected to it. Makes for a tough ROI argument when compared to the other NAPs. While I realize some of this might be a critical mass issue, MAE-LA seems to have been fairly stagnant for several years now. While we're at it, have any input on PacBell's NAP? :-) BTW: Anyone considering connecting to Telehouse's 6IIX IPv6 exchange points at this point? They are collocated inside with NYIIX and LAIIX. Thanks! -jr ---- Josh Richards [JTR38/JR539-ARIN] <jrichard@geekresearch.com/cubicle.net/fix.net/freedom.gen.ca.us> Geek Research LLC - <URL:http://www.geekresearch.com/> IP Network Engineering and Consulting
MAE-LA has never been very hot. Same with NYIIX. PAIX in SFR, MAE-West, and PacBell are all hotter, although PacBell seems to be in decline. In the NY area, 111 8th ave is a far better spot than 25 Broad, which is where NYIIX is located. - Daniel Golding -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Josh Richards Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:19 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: IXs Anyone give me an idea of what sort of traffic passes to (and hopefully thru!) their MAE-LA peers? It's hard to tell whether anyone cares about this NAP or not, and there appears to be significantly less potential peering partners connected to it. Makes for a tough ROI argument when compared to the other NAPs. While I realize some of this might be a critical mass issue, MAE-LA seems to have been fairly stagnant for several years now. While we're at it, have any input on PacBell's NAP? :-) BTW: Anyone considering connecting to Telehouse's 6IIX IPv6 exchange points at this point? They are collocated inside with NYIIX and LAIIX. Thanks! -jr ---- Josh Richards [JTR38/JR539-ARIN] <jrichard@geekresearch.com/cubicle.net/fix.net/freedom.gen.ca.us> Geek Research LLC - <URL:http://www.geekresearch.com/> IP Network Engineering and Consulting
MAE-LA has never been very hot. Same with NYIIX.
NYIIX isn't big, but it's the only worth connecting to in NYC at the moment. Sure, there's PAIX-NY, but it's new and didn't have many customers last I checked.
In the NY area, 111 8th ave is a far better spot than 25 Broad, which is where NYIIX is located.
I'm not convinced. Sure, everyone's in 111 8th, but it's a real pig to get around the building between carriers. If you're not careful, you end up buying 0-mile circuits off telcos to go between suites in the same building. Simon -- Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 (0)1737 839676 Internet Engineering Manager | Fax: +44 (0)1737 839516 BBC Internet Services | Email: Simon.Lockhart@bbc.co.uk Kingswood Warren,Tadworth,Surrey,UK | URL: http://support.bbc.co.uk/
Heya Simon, Work a deal with Stephanie at FiberNet and 111 8th, 60 Hudson, etc. are much easier to navigate from abroad. Stephanie Heuss Carrier Sales Manager, FiberNet 570 Lexington Ave., 3rd Floor New York, NY 10022 + 212.405.6271 W + 917.570.6150 M stephanie.heuss@ftgx.com Cheers, -Ren At 05:51 PM 2/25/01 +0000, Simon Lockhart wrote:
MAE-LA has never been very hot. Same with NYIIX.
NYIIX isn't big, but it's the only worth connecting to in NYC at the moment. Sure, there's PAIX-NY, but it's new and didn't have many customers last I checked.
In the NY area, 111 8th ave is a far better spot than 25 Broad, which is where NYIIX is located.
I'm not convinced. Sure, everyone's in 111 8th, but it's a real pig to get around the building between carriers. If you're not careful, you end up buying 0-mile circuits off telcos to go between suites in the same building.
Simon
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Daniel Golding wrote:
MAE-LA has never been very hot. Same with NYIIX.
'very hot' is relative. NYIIX has twice as many participants as MAE-LA, of which nearly all are more interesting, and is moving > 1/3 gb/s these days. Is it the biggest NAP in the world, hell no.. However, it is one of the more successful regionals. Interestingly, the only participant I can remeber who made a commitment on joining the NY-IIX and then not was Netrail...
I was under the impression that this was going to be transitioned out (at least that is what my WorldCom rep told me about a year ago)... On Feb 25, 2001 Josh Richards spake:
Anyone give me an idea of what sort of traffic passes to (and hopefully thru!) their MAE-LA peers? It's hard to tell whether anyone cares about this NAP or not, and there appears to be significantly less potential peering partners connected to it. Makes for a tough ROI argument when compared to the other NAPs. While I realize some of this might be a critical mass issue, MAE-LA seems to have been fairly stagnant for several years now.
While we're at it, have any input on PacBell's NAP? :-)
BTW: Anyone considering connecting to Telehouse's 6IIX IPv6 exchange points at this point? They are collocated inside with NYIIX and LAIIX.
Thanks!
-jr
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-- Rich Sena - ras@thick.net ThickNET Consulting "On the way to understanding; you understand, and forget."
There are two parts to the exchange, known as MAE-LA to some. There is the MFS part (MAE-LA) and the LAAP. The LAAP is run by USC/ISI and was setup by Jon Postel several years before he passed away. In the last 18 months USC has setup a dark fiber based sites that make up the LAAP exchange. Today we (USC) has space in 1 wilshire and we installed a Foundry box with Gb and 100 meg ethernet ports. We used the dark fiber to provision 3 Gb ethernets to the USC campus and then from there to USC/ISI. If someone wishes to join the exchange we can attach them at any of those sites. We have space for members at the USC campus and ISI, at 1 wilshire people usually are there already and we have a cage with our switch equipment. We will add capacity as needed to keep the exchange viable. Today the LAAP is growing and we are adding regional ISPs, content providers, some larger ISPs and most recently the CALREN-2 network, which now includes all UC and CSU campuses plus USC, Caltech, JPL and Stanford. In the near future it will also include all school districts in California. We also can provision some private ATM connections and private VLANs for those who want to do private peering and are in 1 wilshire complex. The web page for the LAAP is www.laap.net Jim Pepin CTO USC Information Services Division Director Center for High Performance Computing and Communications USC/ISI
Is there a link to LAAP's aggregate usage statistics? thanks, Deepak Jain AiNET On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Jim Pepin wrote:
There are two parts to the exchange, known as MAE-LA to some. There is the MFS part (MAE-LA) and the LAAP. The LAAP is run by USC/ISI and was setup by Jon Postel several years before he passed away. In the last 18 months USC has setup a dark fiber based sites that make up the LAAP exchange. Today we (USC) has space in 1 wilshire and we installed a Foundry box with Gb and 100 meg ethernet ports. We used the dark fiber to provision 3 Gb ethernets to the USC campus and then from there to USC/ISI. If someone wishes to join the exchange we can attach them at any of those sites. We have space for members at the USC campus and ISI, at 1 wilshire people usually are there already and we have a cage with our switch equipment. We will add capacity as needed to keep the exchange viable.
Today the LAAP is growing and we are adding regional ISPs, content providers, some larger ISPs and most recently the CALREN-2 network, which now includes all UC and CSU campuses plus USC, Caltech, JPL and Stanford. In the near future it will also include all school districts in California. We also can provision some private ATM connections and private VLANs for those who want to do private peering and are in 1 wilshire complex.
The web page for the LAAP is www.laap.net
Jim Pepin CTO USC Information Services Division Director Center for High Performance Computing and Communications USC/ISI
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