<ranting lunatic> SP2 will take a long time to even out the quirks from Windows users. We've burned the image on to a CD for about 2000+ users and have copied the file on to users' desktops so they can double click on it for the install. For the most part, students complained about having to wait for over (and this is my averaged time) 40 minutes for the SP to install and do its pseudomagic. After some of the installs, IT began getting flooded with calls over conflicts on some of the software they'd been using. Seems like SP2 did not back up all of the necessary drivers or something in order to make the system function as it did pre-upgrade. While rambling on about SP2, I'd like to point out (as if most didn't know this anyway) that MS' answer to their problems are not going to be solved with shoddy patching. For example, the average person wants to be online, and be online right now, so what the hell do they care about firewalls, etc., this is realistic. Sure SP2 looks like a winner since it's pretty, but it's also annoying to an extent. The balloon popups on the corner do nothing to "strike fear" in a user by telling them "Your computer is not safe" in fact, I'm betting the majority of mom and pops over 45 won't bother turning on their firewalls, nor utilizing any antivirus software. In fact I bet most will turn off those notices when they figure it out. Oddly I can see people figuring out how to turn off those messages as opposed to figuring out how to properly keep their machines safe. Ironic isn't it. Considering there are free antivirus programs out there which do a pretty good job at keeping a system clean, it's sad to see that overblown commercialized products such as Norton Internet Security, McAfee and others have made people despise using security software. This comes from my experience talking with people who for one, just want to get online NOW NOW NOW, secondly, having dealt with all sorts of Outlook, Outlook Express, and other connectivity issues because Norton or McAfee thinks everything and its mother is a threat. This does not include the (l)users who just don't seem to comprehend some of the dangers of having a vulnerable machine online. Oh well... As for the deployment in a big shop, things will be quirky unless you write your own scripts to ensure MS didn't screw your company's set-ups. We had to make a VB disk for users in order to make sure they had up to date antivirus software, and to make sure they had the correct settings to do their work. <ranting lunatic> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo GPG Key ID 0x51F9D78D Fingerprint 2A48 BA18 1851 4C99 CA22 0619 DB63 F2F7 51F9 D78D http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x51F9D78D sil @ politrix . org http://www.politrix.org sil @ infiltrated . net http://www.infiltrated.net "How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this government are concerting to deliver us to disaster?" Joseph McCarthy "America's Retreat from Victory"