Re: Complaint of the week: Ebay abuse mail (slightly OT)
I would have though people would have learned by now that there is no technical solution to spam. You can go ahead with all these wonderfully expensive authentication/filtration/insertantispambuzzword systems until the cows come home and you will +_still_+ recieve spam. Regards, Neil.
I would have though people would have learned by now that there is no technical solution to spam. You can go ahead with all these wonderfully expensive authentication/filtration/insertantispambuzzword systems until the cows come home and you will +_still_+ recieve spam.
Regards, Neil.
And so we should do nothing?
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: bdragon@...
And so we should do nothing?
If a _few_ networks null-route abusers, said networks isolate themselves. If _all_ networks cut off abusers, who becomes the island? Fixing the Internet is difficult. What can't be tackled overnight isn't worth the effort. Let's leave it to future generations. (At least we all feel a bit better each time after we gripe on nanog.) Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita _________________________________________________________________ DO NOT send mail to the following addresses : blacklist@brics.com -or- alfra@intc.net -or- curbjmp@intc.net Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked.
bdragon@gweep.net writes:
And so we should do nothing?
of course not. but the first thing to do is "ignore naysayers". anybody who tells you something can't be done should be suspected of extreme and pervasive laziness until either they or you prove otherwise. -- Paul Vixie
of course not. but the first thing to do is "ignore naysayers". anybody who tells you something can't be done should be suspected of extreme and pervasive laziness until either they or you prove otherwise.
thanks for the great technical analysys
Here is a company who thinks they have a solution for spam http://www.nwtechusa.com/ironmail-zd-srit-enterprise-security.html -Henry bdragon@gweep.net wrote:
I would have though people would have learned by now that there is no technical solution to spam. You can go ahead with all these wonderfully expensive authentication/filtration/insertantispambuzzword systems until the cows come home and you will +_still_+ recieve spam.
Regards, Neil.
And so we should do nothing?
bdragon@gweep.net wrote:
And so we should do nothing?
No, but neither should we plan on engineering a solution. As Neil say - and many know Neil and I generally disagree on principal about everything - a technical solution will never get rid of spam. It may reduce it for a time, but not for very long. The "correct" solution is to make spam uneconomic by some means, then it will slow down to a trickle, maybe. Peter
And so we should do nothing? No, but neither should we plan on engineering a solution.
not necessarily. as i have been trying to point out for some years, look at bellovin's presentation at a nanog a few years ago on "pushback" (sorry, i am on dialup and searches are a major pain). that isps have not been beating up the vendors to work on this boggles the mind. randy
not necessarily. as i have been trying to point out for some years, look at bellovin's presentation at a nanog a few years ago on "pushback" (sorry, i am on dialup and searches are a major pain). that isps have not been beating up the vendors to work on this boggles the mind.
taking an 802.11 break in starbucks. here is the ref http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0102/bellovin.html randy
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