--- valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: From: "Valdis Klētnieks" <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu> On Thu, 30 May 2019 16:07:53 -0700, "Scott Weeks" said:

Having been on quite a few networks in my career, (eyeball/enterprise) I'd say many struggle with having a "single and clearly defined routing policy"

Which part do they find problematic, the "single" part, or the "clearly defined" part? ;) ---------------------------------------------- Both. Two guys have authority over different parts of a network. They don't agree and neither budges. The manager is not technical (at all) and is hands off on decisions like those. I see fights like this in configs all the time. You look at the configs and go WTF, but after learning what happened in the past between those two folks I go; "Ok, NOW I get it." And for 'clearly defined'...well...to put it politely 'clearly defined' is subjective. ;) I'm OCD about KISS, documentation and consistency, but many folks are not. They want it their way, regardless of what is already there, and they like to turn knobs and not let others know what knobs they turned. You wouldn't believe what we see out here on the raggedy edges of the internet. I started my career in the 90s with a company called Digital Island. There were extremely competent folks building it. Every thing was KISS and consistent. It was a beautiful DFZ network. I miss that. 2001 was the last time I saw it. Been on the ragged edge ever since. scott