Nail -> Head <- Hammer Well put ! I don’t know if it could have been put better than that. -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.

On Mar 23, 2021, at 10:57, Emil Pfeffer <emu@emuadmin.com> wrote:

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 09:20:14AM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote:

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"But why it should or shouldn't be clicked..." Sorta like most man pages.

They both need prior knowledge to use. We tend to simplify things in order to save time but then the new generation comes in and thinks the simple things it's all there is and have no willingness to go back in time and accumulate "useless" knowledge. It is useless because the problems it fixes were already fixed but it is paramount in understanding whats behind the simple things. Knowledge can only be simplified so much and there's no shortcut to accumulating it. (hence why most people will prefer to just use the tools)

The generational gap is not an issue it is how things need to be. The network engineering the younger generation deals with is not the same networking the old generation deals with but built upon this old networks. This two generations do not need the same knowledge and it is in each others best interest that they stay separated. Although we would gladly help someone that is obviously putting in the effort and is looking to learn we have not volunteered to be teachers and some people need to understand that we prefer to keep it simple because we have no time to waste.

It is easy to believe that the method you are using is the one but eventually the good ones will have to pass the test of time which mailling lists and a plethora of the old tools successfully did. --