I demand to immediately know who. But, I don't know why. Money talks on the Internet and I keep bathing in SBA quarters (note to Gadi: you won't get it, don't ask - North AMERICAN Net......). Damnit. Where's Kibo!?? I want my lava lamp back! Marty -----Original Message----- From: Barry Shein [mailto:bzs@world.std.com] Sent: Wed Dec 28 23:29:14 2005 To: NANOG Subject: Re: Compromised machines liable for damage? To beat a dead horse just a little harder the problem I have is when a certain company kept distributing software with security flaws specifically because they're profiting from those flaws. For example, graphics libraries which accept binary code chunks to be executed in kernel mode without limits for support of quick screen updates in games considered of marketing importance. Blaming it on the games vendors seems inadequate, particularly over several years and releases of each. That's just pure economics and, hence, profiting on others' serious pain. -- -Barry Shein The World | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Login: Nationwide Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*